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Ltryptophan's avatar

What if we let school children advance into a sort of "first retirement"?

Asked by Ltryptophan (12091points) October 21st, 2010

Here is my idea. I hope that by posting it here it will be disseminated, maybe even panned out until adoption.

“First Retirement”

A plan for children entering the K-12 education process. This plan would lay a path for normal/average children to complete a set of specific educational goals at an accelerated pace if they so choose.

Through a series of tests given throughout their lives children would be able to advance past goal posts, and join their education level “peers”. These “peers” might be from different age groups. These peers would be given help (a teacher) to focus their peer team toward advancement towards the next goal post. Periodical testing would allow some peers to move on to more advanced peer groups.

Finally, a possible early completion of studies with results provable by standardized testing would render further education below the university level unnecessary.

These early finishers would not just be set free with a stipend. They would be tasked with a minimal amount of college level work, a career counselor/furhter education counselor, and a post as tutor to other children.

They would then be allowed to have certain days, and times off, or the ability to make their own schedule.

Maybe it could even run parallel to the standard model of K-12 education, allowing some hard workers, not just the well endowed, to push through.

This could save time, money, and give kids time to carefully consider the world they will be entering by giving them time to get out into it before they are encumbered by other responsibilities like having to pay to send themselves through school.

A “First Retirement” would not be for kids to just lay about (although they would be free to) it would give them a chance to get a feel for life outside of school.

This idea developed from my belief that all children can learn more, and learn it faster than they are being allowed.

What do you think?

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marinelife's avatar

What happens to the children who are not self starters and do not accelerate? Which I think is most of the kids.

Ltryptophan's avatar

After a decade, maybe sooner, some kids with drive, not just smarts will get there. Those kids will enjoy something that other children will hopefully desparately want to emulate. Specifically escape!

CyanoticWasp's avatar

If you attempt to implement something like this that seems to directly treat school / education as a type of confinement (such as prison) to be “escaped”, then you’ll have people (students, mainly, but some parents as well) attempting to game the system to see that happen… whether or not educational objectives have been attained.

And even suggesting that at some point in a child’s life that “further education is unnecessary” negates the entire purpose of education, as well as ignores that it should be a lifetime process, not a “goal”.

Finally, I can’t imagine a way to “set peer goalposts” and mentor / monitor children in a school district of any size through something so nebulous (and so prone to politicking) in any objective way.

Sorry, but I hate your idea.

wundayatta's avatar

I could sort of see what you were going for until I got to that part where the “well-endowed” “push through.”

I’m afraid this sounds like the lament of a bored kid who believes himself to be extra smart. I’m not particularly sympathetic, and this focus on developing free time seems sure to shoot the program in it’s own foot.

Personally, I think free time is a great thing, and it can be a great way to learn if, as @marinelife pointed out, people know where the key to their own engine is. Free time means more fluthering, which is a fine thing to do. Perhaps even socially redeeming. More likely it’s just having fun. Which is good, but not as well appreciated as perhaps it should be.

But handing out free time to adolescents when they have few opportunities to do something useful is a sure recipe for disaster.

Seaofclouds's avatar

This sounds a bit like a school I’ve heard of, but I don’t remember what it’s called. It’s a school that doesn’t really have a set curriculum and children are able to pace their own education. The children move through the different areas of the school on their own timeline, so you could have young children mixed in with older children. Then, when the child (actually teenager because I believe there is an age limit) feels they are ready to graduate, they have to discuss it with their school counselors and they arrange for the child to take a graduation exam (so that they have a recognized high school diploma).

It’s an interesting concept, but it really sounds like it would only work for children that are good at being self-motivators.

Ltryptophan's avatar

Well, we have some pointed answers here…and by pointed I mean daggerlike.

It seems in my district this is happening today with things called magnet schools. Not just the incredibly brilliant are attending, but also the hard workers.

You would not “escape” school until the appointed time when you are supposed to normally graduate. You would just be given more freedom.

I like freedom.

BTW @wundayatta failed to critically read the bit about endowment and pushing through.

wundayatta's avatar

@Seaofclouds Summerhill

@Ltryptophan lighten up, it was a joke

Ltryptophan's avatar

Oh.. you were being funny.

Well, wasting the lives of children so that teachers can get paid ain’t funny.

We should help kids learn as much as they can as soon as they can, and make the most of their lives. Letting them linger in the governments education machine that is second rate among nations, and first rate among costs is a joke.

It needs fixing. So, while we are at it I think it should be streamlined to save us money, save the kids time, and give people a chance to get a footing in life that is not based on colleges getting the tuition money they now have come to expect. Don’t read that to mean they shouldn’t go to college. Read it to mean they shouldn’t be forced to go to college to survive in a manner that doesn’t make them a slave to the interests of those who do.

Empower people early. That is the point I am making. Give the kids tools to build their own futures. By 18 people should understand the elaborate credit markets. By 18 people should understand that a downpayment on a house is something that they should have been working on. Lets give people the strength and wisdom early so that they can start making something of their lives immediately.

I am a bored kid, who is extra smart. I am bored with the country as it is. I am bored with the intentional partial crippling of entire peoples to keep them subjects to anyone but themselves.

It is time that we give individuals, fellow citizens, humans who were perchance born to this country the opportunity that its bounty should prevail them.

How? By arming them with skills to face life. By checking to see if those skills are functional or if they have fallen on deaf ears. And to make sure that the social safety net is not a handout of perishables, but rather a gifting of honest veritable credentials that have inherent value.

When our high schools are the diving boards to remedial community college classes, something is very wrong.

So…we should focus on who comes next. How will we give them the vision to succeed.

It is no laughing matter I’m afraid.

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