@johnpowell what is your history? I fucking fought for my shit….. What the fuck did you do other then suck the teet of your parents? WHAT WAS YOUR STRUGGLE? First off my history is irrelevant, however I will say I did not grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth or even a brass one for that fact. Since I as 14 I had some sort of job after school or in the summer, many time helping my mother out. There was no sponging off mom or anyone else. I was off the teat long ago. And nooooooo I am not rolling in dough now either.
@marinelife Why are you making assumptions about whole classes of people? Let me catch you up to speed and a few more with you, I did not make the assumptions, it was un-wealthy people I know or who is in the family, they believe that the rich are greedy, slimy, unhappy SOB, and that poor people are better because if a poor person gives it is harder for them to do so thus a bigger more noble sacrifice. That the rich is not an honest broker only giving to escape tax liability but not because they really cared for if they did they would give 30% or more of their money that they don’t need to drive around in a $360,000 car when a $16,000 will do; they don’t have to live in a $14 million dollar mansion when there is just 2 of them and their pedigree dog when a $190,000 condo would do; they don’t need a $725 Louie V handbag when a $35 one from WalMart will do, etc. And quite a few who believe the rich should not spend the money they had earned do not try themselves to be rich or even get a job to get ahead. Many of them rely on the very charity supported by the rich or people who earn way more.
What I have read here and other venues more people seem to think the rich are these greedy SOB, so I ask what of the other end of the spectrum of those who are poor, don’t care to work, and want to just live off hand outs, is that better or worse than having a rich greedy SOB? Worse or the same?
So because a bunch of…people that you know ssssseem to think something, it is necessarily true? You missed it answer to @rooeytoo, I said it wasn’t official.
If the people who think this are at all like you then their ideas are completely invalid. How’s that for a sweeping generalization? Yes, a very big sweeping generalization, which I usually ignore because of its inaccuracy. One, they don’t think like me or they would be out trying to do better. They would never think of sitting around on the government dole unless it was the last and only resort. If they thought like me they would fight go get ahead as long as they had strength in their limbs and a mind that worked.
How much research did you put into that statement? How many charities are there in each city/state in the entire country? How much research did you do to prove it is a false statement? I think I have searched more to make that statement than you have to refute it.
Do not leave out charities that are located in other countries but based here in the states. How many people who donate time and skills to each charity are rich? These people whom I am talking with do not live in another nation so whatever charity is there they are not gaining any benefit from it. Also it matters not if a person donates his/her time to unload a tractor trailer of canned peas and frozen turkeys for free, without the money, direct or indirect, to acquire the turkeys in the 1st place they would have nothing to do.
What, exactly, is your aganda with these “questions” about rich and poor people? If you care to call it an agenda I ask questions the way anyone else ask, to maybe get a better overall perception if not actual answers. Most of the people I meet and chat with weekly are not filthy rich, they do believer they are not rich or have a harder time is more do to the rich and not their own lack of talent, skill or gumption –as it appears a lot on these forums. I want to see if people are going to attack the question with logic or emotion. I get frustrated when it seems as rich people are squandering their money or they are snobs thinking nothing but the best is good enough for them. I can fault them for how they act but it is their money and they can do whatever with it good others or just good for themselves. I have been around stinking rich people a few times but I am not rich so I don’t hang with them who believe poor people are dangerous, more likely to be criminals and thieves as well as dope addicts but a lot give much to causes they care about because they can, they can afford it. As @liminal and @Cruiser not all rich are bad and not all poor is lazy dope heads.
@lillycoyote _ “I know most charities would not exist had it not be for the rich, what do the poor have to give to the poor?”_
How on earth can you know this since it’s simply not true. If you have numbers that show that out of all the monies collected or used by charities 51% of that total dollar amount came from small churches and blue collar donators I would gladly take back that statement. But logically if I and 6 other friends have trucks full of 1,000s of apples and we only gave 1/8 of the apples away we could the six of us do more than 50 people 1/5 of which has no apples and the remaining only one each. That is just logical math.
Americans in the top 4 tax brackets in 2000 was $15.8 trillion and their aggregate charitable donations totaled only $87 billion. Not at all an insignificant amount of money, obviously, but a relatively small percentage of their actual wealth and certainly not so much that they have to start clipping coupons. Could the rich do more? Yes. If they don’t are they really doing worse? It is again simple math, if that 87 billion only added to a total of 8% (for instance) of the total amount even if it were not 20% of their income or wealth like the blue collar guy they are still giving more.
So, “what do the poor have to give to the poor?” They have the same thing to give as the rich do, just less of it. But the numbers don’t care who gives the larger % if a low income person has 12 old jeans and cares to give 50% to a clothe bank that 6 jeans, it a filthy rich guy who has 300