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How much have we given up in becoming so digitally connected?

Asked by ETpro (34605points) October 29th, 2010

I was walking in Boston’s North End today. Nearly everyone I passed had a cell phone to their ear or was texting away as they walked. It was a beautiful fall day. I was cutting through the lovely rounds of the historic Old North Church where, acting on Paul Revere’s instructions, the church Sexton Robert Newman sent the famed message with the lantern at the beginning of the Revolutionary War. I was heading into Paul Revere Mall. The trees were showing peak fall colors and the mall walk was carpeted with a golden patchwork of leaves, with a ruby red leaf scattered here and there along the ancient colonial bricks. Yet as I walked down the stairs of the back yard of the Old North Church where the famous “one if by land, two if by sea” lantern warning was sent to Revere, I came abreast of a man and caught a snippet of what he was saying to someone on the other end of his cell phone. “Yeah, I am walking now. I’m on a sidewalk. Now I am going down some stairs…”

Now I don’t know whether this man really was telling someone something that inane, or he was just having a pretend conversation with an imaginary friend. So many people were on phones that I frankly was beginning to feel odd about the fact I was walking along taking in the natural beauty and the history around me and the last thing I wanted was a cell phone needlessly glued to my ear. But it begs other questions. The Founding Fathers of the American Revolution were men of the age of enlightenment. They were the leading liberals of their age, and whether university graduates or self educated, their writing and musings show that they were all men of great intellectual achievement. Old North Church Sexton Robert Newman was heading his own conscience when he complied with Paul Revere’s request and sent his warning of the British troops approach. Most to the congregation of the Old North Church were the conservatives of that day. Many held official positions in the royal government, including the Royal Governor of Massachusetts, British General Thomas Gage.

Clearly the Founders were men who kept their own counsel and were open to fresh ideas. Many of those today who claim to worship the early American Patriots would, if our Liberal, intellectually curious Founders were here among us, label them as ‘elitist’ intellectuals to be shunned and demonized. Less than 50% of today’s Americans have read a novel or fictional work in the last year. Around 15% read a nonfiction book in that same time. Even many today who are not illiterate are increasingly a-literal.

In the late 19th century, Americans would flock to lectures by speakers they profoundly disagreed with. Agree or not, they were willing to challenge their existing beliefs and hear a different viewpoint. Our divisive politics today shows this is sadly fading from modern American behavior and possibly world behavior. We seem increasingly to be connected to blogs, email blasts, text messages and news sources that will only tell us what we have already decided we want to hear. We seem to be content at substitution connectivity for real connection to anything beyond ourselves and out current world view. We are developing an endemic incuriosity, and a deep suspicion of the intellectually curious.

Our political and entertainment leaders are more than happy to feed this appetite for infotainment. It keeps them in a position of great power and profit. Is there any hope for American and World conservatism, getting back to the good elements we left behind as we moved out of the Age of Reason and into the Information Age? What do you see on the horizon for humanity. Are we going to leverage the information available to inspire a new burst of reason and enlightenment, or sink into ever deeper fear of any idea not already welcomed in our programmed heads?

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YoBob's avatar

Have you ever seen the movie Idocracy ?

Coloma's avatar

It’s up the individual, not ‘we’.

I am a pretty low tech person, read books, create and prefer natural beauty and balance outdoors in peaceful, uninterrupted silence.

I think that the current big plug-in is actually a natural byproduct of a society gone mad.

Technology has just capitalized on an already increasingly isolated and ego driven population.

Kardamom's avatar

Writing, whether it’s writing letters to family and friends, writing thank you letters and notes. Most of my young relatives can’t even spell correctlly, they all converse in text speak. It makes me sad because the English language is so rich and wonderful. A lot of people don’t ever read books or the newspaper either. It’s just sad.

The other thing that has gone by the way side is common courtesty. All of the walking cell phone talkers and texters, never look up and say, “excuse me” to anyone. A lot of people yak on cell phones while they are completing a monetary transaction at the store and never even acknowledge the sales clerk. People take and make calls while they are in restaurants in the company of their friends, family, colleagues and potential clients, with never a thought toward the live person in front of them that they are ignoring. People talk and text while driving, breaking all sorts of road rules and courtesy rules.

Technology in and of itself is a good thing, but with out common courtesies and use protocols, it can be a nightmare or a danger.

YoBob's avatar

@Kardamom

While I totally agree with you about the loss common courtesy and text speak being viewed as an acceptable form of communication, I disagree with regards to reading.

The web browser has spawned an entire generation of kids who are glued to their screens with instant access to an unprecedented amount of information (provided you are able to ignore the pop-up ads). Granted, it has lead to a tenancy to skim rather than read carefully, but kids are, in fact, reading while browsing the web.

We also owe a debt of gratitude to J, K. Rowling who spawned a world wide phenomena with the Harry Potter series. Kids didn’t fall into the craze because of the movie, they were actually reading the book and when the movies came out were able to easily understand the reasons why books are better!

I also want to point out that one of the hottest selling items in the electronics market today are e-book readers like the Kindle.

ETpro's avatar

@Coloma Technology has just capitalized on an already increasingly isolated and ego driven population. True. The slide away from intellectualism and toward deliberate incuriousity started well before the digital age.

@Kardamom Agreed. GA.

@YoBob There is no question that the computer can be used as a miraculous tool of learning, but it can just as easily be used as a tool to reinforce only that which one already believes.

Coloma's avatar

Poll

Whats the average age happening here? Just curious.
I’m 50.8 lol

iamthemob's avatar

@ColomaGood point. In order to know what we gave up, we kind of have to remember what was there. ;-)

Personally, I think that one of the few things that we may have truly given up is leisure. Employers and clients expect to be able to be in contact with you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year more and more. It therefore becomes more and more difficult to functionally separate yourself from work.

The thing that I think we definitely have permanently lost is the former sense of privacy we once had. With twitter, facebook, etc., we have raised and will probably continue to raise generations of people who are willing to have their lives on display. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it probably means that we’re going to have to rethink certain aspects of how we relate.

PS – 31 here.

ETpro's avatar

@Coloma To your poll, I am about to turn 67. @iamthemob Definitely, whatever expectation of privacy we may have had is rapidly eroding. Will this forge a new era of withc hunts or bring us ever closer in our actually shared humanity. That remains to be seen. But the djinn is out of the bottle and there is not likely any way to put it back.

Neizvestnaya's avatar

No more pictures developed with camera film to share or keep as mementos.

No more handwritten letters with doodles, stamps and dates.

No more privacy. Anyone with my street address I do business with can look up my house and see into my backyard via Google Earth.

JLeslie's avatar

I think technology is great to keep in touch and access information, but I too am annoyed by people constantly on their phones and texting. It’s not that their talking out loud disturbs me, many people complain about that, it is that I think they are missing out. As I get older I realize more and more that what brings me great joy is things that postively affect my senses. Beautiful scenery, music, warm sunshine on my skin, yummy food. The calming force of these things. Also, simple courtesy, like a smile, nod, or even a hello when I pass someone on the sidewalk (obviously I don’t expect people to say hello in big cities) I think these little things make us all feel good. I am addicted to fluther and crackbook, but not when I am away from my computer. I don’t use them from my phone, I don’t feel like I have to constantly be connected.

I also feel it is unsafe to be so distracted. Unsafe when driving for obvious reasons, Also, unsafe in general, because if someone is going to get mugged, it is probably someone unaware of their surroundings. I see girls sit in their cars and text for a few minutes before they finally get out, and that is a big no-no. Sitting ducks.

rooeytoo's avatar

@JLeslie – pretty much said it all. And I wonder how the kids of today will develop any creativity in their lives because their brains are constantly being bombarded with text messages, phone conversations or music. They don’t seem to have any quiet or down time for their heads to be able to work on their own thoughts. I love email and I love my laptop but I don’t carry it with me everywhere I go, am often away from it for hours on end. I hate cell phones, I have one in my pocket in case of some sort of emergency but it is usually turned off.

I think many people have completely given up their solitude. For me that would be a bad thing, but others maybe not so bad.

JLeslie's avatar

The one thing that gives me hope is as a child, I also did not appreciate a beautiful sunset, or the intricacy of classical music, or the beauty of a dancers body, or the gift of pay it forward, and the pleasure of being happy when I am alone, of being present in a moment. I think we still need another 10 years to see what the kids growing up in the tech age are like when they are 40 years old and older.

Pied_Pfeffer's avatar

@Kardamom I agree. And on the flip side of people in a check-out line, it’s irritating when the clerk is on a cell phone conversation while attempting to check out a customer.

@YoBob I see your point about the youth still reading albeit via internet sites vs. books, but considering that a fair amount of information on the internet is not edited for content, for both accuracy and writing skills, I’m struggling to buy into it.

As for young adult literature, I’d like to think that you are right about the Harry Potter series. One teen friend once posted on her Facebook wall that she was bored. I suggested that she read Twilight (God forgive me) because I knew she was caught up in the mania. Her response? “Pass. I’ll wait for the movie to come out.”

With e-book technology, they certainly have their advantages, in my opinion. There are others that strongly disagree. There was a thread on Fluther regarding this, and the majority prefer the feel of a physical book while reading it and would practically fight to the death rather than give away a book on their shelf.

@iamthemob Some people allow themselves to be sucked up into the 24/7/365 contact. There are people that like to do that for a variety of reasons. If one wants to manage it, it is a matter of setting up expectations on the front end. I went from taking a laptop on vacations with me and checking work e-mail every day to asking a co-worker if I could use her as an alternative contact on my Out-of-Office message, notifying potentially needy clients in advance, and only giving out my cell phone number to a few in case of an emergency.

As for privacy, it is essentially the same thing. I grew up in the same small town, and the word gets out as soon as someone spills the beans about their personal life. The internet just makes it easier to globally access the information. I just did a search for information on a relative that doesn’t have a cell phone or computer and didn’t come up with any hits, no matter how many versions of his name were used, yet some of the people in his town know his story quite well.

@Neizvestnaya Cameras with film are still around, but they just aren’t used as much anymore. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be a need for camera shops, and in the US, for the chain stores like Walgreens and Rite-Aid to continue to have a photo counter. Get a good quality digital camera, and the photos can be printed out on photo paper that look identical to the ones in photo albums. In fact, there may be an advantage to it. For anyone who takes multiple photos of the same scene can now decide which of the dozens that they want to keep versus wasting chemicals, film and paper on printing out all of them.

It is the same with hand-written letters, stamps and dates. They haven’t died out, but are rarer. In a way, it makes them more special.

@JLeslie I agree that people who are wired in can be distracted and risk personal harm as well as those of others. I also think it has to do with an irrational sense of invincibility.

@all I strongly feel that technological advances positively outweigh the disadvantages. We know much more about humanity, as well as life on Earth in general and beyond this little rock. If we have given up anything from being digitally connected, it is the value that comes from physically connecting with others. Words can evoke emotions, but there is nothing more soothing than a hug from someone who sincerely cares.

JLeslie's avatar

@Pied_Pfeffer A clerk is on her phone while checking you out? That is completely unnacceptable.

Pied_Pfeffer's avatar

@JLeslie I agree, yet it happens with alarming frequency.

ETpro's avatar

@JLeslie Eloquently said. Exactly what I meant when I took the time to describe the Old North Church and adjacent Paul Revere Mall (Mall, as in open public square, not shopping mall, by the way).

I have actually witnessed someone who was walking along the sidewalk texting and walked straight into a light post. I’ve seen others walk right through a red light into the way of oncoming traffic. Fortunately the driver happened to be alert enough to see the impending collision and slam on her brakes before it was too late, but I would not want to count on all Boston drivers being that alert. Hell, many of them are texting too.

@rooeytoo Exactly. I fear the same fate for the future. I am just reading Susan Jacoby’s excellent book, The Age of American Unreason. As an historian of some merit, she worries too that the constant deluge of infotainment prepackaged by a shrinking number of massive corporate interests will lead to the loss of all intellectual curiosity.

@Pied_Pfeffer I hope you are right that the positives outweigh the negatives. Nuclear technology hangs over the heads of all mankind, but the well-understood horror of it has prevented a third world war now for 65 years. Maybe we just have to grow enough as humans to decide how to find pockets of peace in the din of infotainment that will otherwise drone out all rational thought.

JLeslie's avatar

It’s a little bazaar in a way. I think back to when I was child, and there was an idea that the future would make us able to see more, to travel faster, across continents, even outer space. In a weird twist we are somewhat more in a cocoon. We barely need to leave our houses. Maybe I am overthinking it.

Coloma's avatar

@JLeslie

It means we’re getting old.
#@%^$&^%$ new fangled technology. lol

Really though…it’s also the fact that we have gone from near zero to 60 in a few milleseconds.

Telephones and TV were the ‘basics’ for years and years and then, the tech explosion starting around the early 90’s and….just…. BOOM… non-stop ‘gotta haves’ mainstreaming every segment of the population from kids to teens to adults.

I think that tech domestication has been a highly successful movement.

JLeslie's avatar

I am old. I am actually just before the computer. I actually was allowed to hand in some college papers in longhand, although I usually typed my papers. Just a few years later people were using computers. I’m 42.

Pied_Pfeffer's avatar

@ETpro I know virtually nothing about nuclear technology. Does digital technology make it less safe?

I would like to believe that as more people use social sites and connect with others around the world, humanity will become more educated as well as more sympathetic to those in other countries. When this happens, we are less likely to go to war with them. Yes, I know it is a stretch and not likely to happen in my lifetime. One can hope though.

It seems that the things that we ‘sacrifice’ by becoming so digitally connected are within our control.

JLeslie's avatar

@Pied_Pfeffer I hope the same thing.

ETpro's avatar

@JLeslie You tender young thing. I predate Eniac by a couple of years. In college, I wrote my first computer program to do a simple sorting task. I wrote it to IBM punch cards using Fortran just a few years after the language was introduced in 1957. All papers at the time were hand written or typed if formal, and all math and physics class calculations were on a slide rule.

@Pied_Pfeffer I certainly hope that’s the way it ends up going. So many of us are completely seduced by the constant flood of available infotainment. The din of it, for those who stay plugged in all their waking hours, provides virtually no time for reflection on personal values or critical analysis of what the mass culture wants to promote. But even heroin addicts eventually realize they are missing more than they gain from the rush, and dry themselves out. Perhaps it is just a matter of time and maturation with all this new technology, and we’ll emerge the better for it.

JLeslie's avatar

@ETpro I’m talking everyone having a personal computer. I used to visit my dad at work when I was little, and the computer guy would take me to the big cold computer room and show me the cards with holes in it that the computer read. Tried to explain to me how zeros and ones are the whole gig.

ETpro's avatar

Yep. That would have been the early days of widespread deployment of computers in large corporations. They were mainly IBM machines running Fortran, which actually is a fairly flexible language. They gave a taste of what a true Turing machine would be. It was a long ways from there to everyone having a personal computer. I got my first office machine in 1982 and it ran CPM and read a 12 inch floppy disk.

JLeslie's avatar

@ETpro my dad worked for the government.

YoBob's avatar

@Pied_Pfeffer My wife is one of those who is absolutely against the whole e-reader thing. I got one out of curiosity a few weeks back and totally love it. I have found myself reading for pleasure quite a bit more over the past couple of weeks because of simple availability. Instead of having to decide when I leave the house what book I might be in the mood to read 6 hours later when I have a few minutes to kill waiting for something I can carry along my entire library, plus if that isn’t enough I have instant access to the book store.

As for look, the “electronic paper” technology is very similar in look to newsprint, is quite easy on the eyes, and can be comfortably viewed in bright sunlight. I even intend to encase mine in a leather bound book cover to give it the same feel as a book. About the only thing missing is the smell of paper pulp.

I’m not sure about the whole environmental impact as manufacture of electronics devices traditionally leave a significant footprint. However, the 3000+ books one device can hold certainly translates to a whole lot of trees that can remain standing.

I’m hoping to turn my wife into a convert, but I’m not holding my breath… ;)

iamthemob's avatar

@Pied_Pfeffer – I wouldn’t say privacy is essentially the “same thing,” but I think you’re right that it’s managed differently, and the effects are less local.

What I think has more permanently changed is the way that people will manage it. I don’t think that people (young people) do care as much, or will, and I think the results are interesting.

ETpro's avatar

@YoBob Somehow I think I can muddle through just fine without the smell of paper pulp. The leather case does sound like a welcome touch. I like the heft of a paper book in hand, but I am not all that fond of how you have to bend the spine to keep the pages open and flat enough to comfortably read. I think I could adapt to an e-reader.

I am glad to hear the text is so readable. With my old eyes (cataracts developing) the low contrast of the light blue-green text on the cream background is particularly hard for me to make out. It really gets troublesome on very long posts. (Fluther moguls, are you listening. :-)

@iamthemob I think you are right about the computer generation being much more comfortable with transparency, and that is probably a good thing on balance, although it certainly has its sinister aspects in online stalking, bullying, and hacking.

mattbrowne's avatar

Bear hugs.

Until we can afford haptic full-body suits.

YoBob's avatar

@ETpro Actually one of my (very few and very minor) complaints with the kindle is that it is ergonomically different to hold a pad to read vs. being able to hold a book in one hand holding your thumb in the crease to steady it. I am hoping the case will address this. However, this is a minor nit and really just boils down to what one has become accustomed to.

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