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What really happens when you try to outlaw homosexuality?

Asked by wundayatta (58741points) November 8th, 2010

The Family Life Network is trying to export homophobia to Africa—Uganda, in particular, right now. I don’t understand why this is an important issue, nor why they feel like they have to foment hatred overseas, but that’s what they are doing.

Obviously, when homosexuality or sodomy are illegal, then people who are homosexual must hide it if they want to have a relationship and not be thrown in jail.

How do people hide such things? What kinds of tricks do they use? Were men able to have gay relationships to the same extent that women did? Was there anywhere that one could feel safe?

Is there anything that can be done to support gay Ugandans? Should we even care? Why is the FLN doing this?

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CyanoticWasp's avatar

Exports are down; we have to produce and export more to fix the balance of trade, or something.

It’s the best I could come up with at short notice.

But seriously since we’re in that section again, and I can’t actually laugh out loud maybe they think that people in Uganda are even stupider than they are. Maybe they think that people in Uganda really need to work on new forms of hate and discontent. I suppose they’ve heard that some people in Uganda believe in witch doctors and evil omens, so maybe they’ll buy this bullshit as well.

Who knows what is in the minds of those people? Not even The Shadow knows.

Dr_C's avatar

Any time oppression of any sort is imposed upon a specific group… there is bound to be a backlash. The question is… what kind of a response is this initiative going to get?

Nothing good will come of this.

Dr_Dredd's avatar

In Uganda, they’re not just calling for jailing homosexuals. They’re calling for the death penalty. It would be nice if some other religious groups would publically come out and counter the hate.

mrlaconic's avatar

Anyone who wants more information on whats going on in Uganda with this should watch Vanguards Missionaries of Hate video. It’s 44 minutes long.

As to how they hide it.. from what I can tell they are not as flamboyant over there as they are in America or other countries so as long as they step lightly and are not seen….. but they have neighbors snitching.. putting out news paper articles and the such

Joybird's avatar

Missionaries both Christian and Catholic have always posed a very real problem in prevention of the transmission of HIV in a number of African nations including Uganda. They discourage the use of condoms sighting birth control as an abomination against God and pushing an abstinence agenda. We are talking about a part of the world where polyamorous behavior is a norm not an exception. It’s where the quote “It takes a whole village to raise a child” comes from. Why? Because lineage of the children isn’t always a known entity. Given this fact does it come as any surprise that missionaries would also spread misinformation about homosexuality? In their logic it’s better to have dying believers than living sinners. Go figure.

Nullo's avatar

Uganda’s ban on homosexuality is domestic, though I bet that it gets support from organizations like FLN.
The FLN does this because they believe homosexual behavior to be sinful, and sins ultimately damning.

loser's avatar

I know one thing that happens. Kids think it’s okay to bully gay kids to the point of causing them to commit suicide and until the world treats homosexuality the same as hetrosexuality this will continue.

wundayatta's avatar

@mrlaconic It is a little scary to me that there is a movie about this. I keep wondering what I would learn from the video that would make it worth enduring the horror. I already know enough to know what horror is and to know that if there were a devil, these FLN creeps would be his minions.

The worst thing about this is that they think they are bringing the world of God instead of the word of Hate. I wonder what they say when they come home? Do they respect the Africans, or do they despise them? I’m sure some might be converted by meeting Africans, but I’m afraid too many of them would learn nothing from their mission.

mrlaconic's avatar

@wundayatta The video is very informational they talk to both sides. Definitely worth the watch for helping to understand whats happening over there.

wundayatta's avatar

@mrlaconic You think I wouldn’t turn into an angry ball of horrified jelly incapable of thinking straight?

Pretty bad, except the last part. I’d be proud to be unable to think straight… in the sense we are talking about here.

laureth's avatar

If you would like to know what it’s like for these folks to have to live underground, and you’re serious enough to check out a novel, I recommend Stone Butch Blues by Leslie Feinberg. It’s a somewhat fictionalized account of her life story, coming of age before Stonewall. While being gay wasn’t technically illegal, I suppose, it may as well have been.

Or, if you are Jonathan and David in the Bible, you hide it in plain sight. ;)

MissPoovey's avatar

600 hundred women were raped in the Congo last month. (ny times)
I can’t work up sympathy for gay mens rights. How about a womens right to live or to have her body be her own?

mrlaconic's avatar

@wundayatta The missionaries are not from another country they are Ugandas. Its straight religious ugandana’s vs gay Ugandans.. the team doing the story is all pretty liberal and open.

absalom's avatar

For a laughable snippet (I think) of @mrlaconic‘s linked video, go here.

@Nullo: Is what occurs in these videos the desired end to FLN’s ‘support’? Is it related? You can’t honestly believe this dubious sophist is doing anything good for anybody.

coffeenut's avatar

Religion in bed with Politics at it’s best we should be very concerned

It’s not so bad, you only get 7-life in jail or death for being gay… what/who’s next

THE ANTI HOMOSEXUALITY BILL (pdf)

It’s a good thing this nutjob doesn’t have the power this nutjob has

bible thumpers make me sick

fundevogel's avatar

If you make homosexuality illegal only the criminals will be able to get homosexuality and the rest of us won’t be able to defend ourselves against them, wait what?

Disc2021's avatar

LGBT – I’m going to use this loosely as a term referring to lesbians, gays, bisexuals or transgenders.
http://current.com/shows/vanguard/blog/92763828_ugandas-missionaries-of-hate-influence-media-campaign.htm#more

How do people hide such things? Although the answer is seemingly easy, in general, it’s not. It hurts LGBT’s immensely inside to have to hide themselves, lie or live any kind of double-life. The amount of fear is also horridly abusive on a person’s psychology. The “how” exactly is a very complicated range. From driving hours away to a secretive remote location, living in multiple different areas from time to time. In Africa, it’s especially a problem as the public can get very violent and aggressive if they find or even suspect someone of being LGBT. There’s countless stories of victims being harassed, beaten, taunted on the streets, even killed.

What kinds of tricks do they use? As I mentioned, some of them travel hours away to find certain more “tolerable” areas just to hang out for a day or two or meet others who are LGBT. Some are very limited as far as “tricks” and therefore dont really have much to resort to. There are also cases of a gay male or female living multiple people posing as a typical, standard family to the public neighbors and neighborhood. It’s always hard.

Were men able to have gay relationships to the same extent that women did? My understanding, particularly in Uganda, is that male to male or female to female relationships are all equally frowned upon.

Was there anywhere that one could feel safe? There are certain organizations that try to gain establishment that have had and continue to have an increasingly large amount of resistance from the area. The leaders of these organizations receive anonymous death threats from multiple people on a daily basis, other organizations try to get these organizations shut down or removed. Otherwise, there are different areas or bars that are more “tolerant” towards the idea and somewhat serve as safe havens for LGBT – but it’s very difficult for any organization or establishment to outwardly say anything or remain embracing towards LGBT.

Is there anything that can be done to support gay Ugandans? Not enough, if anything significant. The area has a strong, overpowering Christian moral system as well as establishment and strong political figures who strongly oppose homosexuality. In order to do something, that political power would have to be overridden by a higher power… which is very, very tricky and raises even higher moral/ethical question, as far as global consideration goes.

Should we even care? Should we? Do you care? I believe that this is our world, we are all free people and we should all be able to do as well as we damned-as well please… so as long as we aren’t bringing any harm to anyone. The problem is, the majority believes that such a thing is doing harm to the general public. They believe that homosexuality is a sick and vile disease. I believe that their way of thinking is very behind and very dated; it fed off of bad, terrible Christian propaganda from missionaries. Thus, you have an entire population literately wanting to kill gays, for simply living.

Why is the FLN doing this? Hmm. Oh, I know – because they’re crazy, shitty people who is just as hateful as they claim to be good, loving, traditional Christians. That’s my explanation.

Stories like this really make me feel proud to be an American. Sure, we may not have a perfect country and things are not always tidy here, but Uganda and other places in Africa have a multitude of serious issues that dont even end nor begin here.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@MissPoovey It’s possible to care about both issues.

DominicX's avatar

Anyone notice how all these “family” organizations are really just anti-gay? “Family” has become a vapid buzzword with the underlying meaning of “Christian Right values”. I also love how the people that support this anti-gay legislation include such saints as a “Holocaust revisionist”. Can’t just hate gays, gotta hate Jews too. And possibly black people. Could it get anymore stereotypical?

And of course we should care. Yes, sometimes it’s tempting to just say Uganda is a backward country that can’t be helped, but I don’t think that at all. I think they’re terribly misguided at the moment; they’re pushing their problems as a country on a scapegoat when it really will solve nothing. But there can definitely be room for improvement. And it begins with the suppression of religious mania.

This whole issue is a product of a phenomenon I like to call HH or “homosexual hysteria”. Essentially it’s related to religious suppression of sexuality and denial of our urges and is primarily a means for scapegoating. Take a look at WBC. As far as Phelps and his crew are concerned, all of the world’s problems are caused by homosexuality. Scapegoating much? Hysteria much? It’s the same thing with Uganda. A country that undeveloped is desperate; anything seems like a solution at that point.

mattbrowne's avatar

You’ll find the answer in history books. Many countries at some point in the past have outlawed homosexuality. Some still do. But fortunately most societies evolve.

squirbel's avatar

Ugandans were against homosexuality long before FLN came on the scene. FLN is going to where the last few countries who still oppose it and supporting their causes.

FLN did not create the sentiment in Uganda.

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