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Am I a prophet?

Asked by KeithWilson (835points) November 13th, 2010

I have the belief that I am a very rare and very powerful prophet. I have a track record of amazing experiences and I have down-to-earth predictions about what the future holds. Does this make me a prophet?

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jrpowell's avatar

Have you named a cactus yet? That is the true test.

jrpowell's avatar

“Am I a prophet?” Your answer is no.

TexasDude's avatar

Serious question: Have you been taking your medication?

DrasticDreamer's avatar

Didn’t you already ask this question once?

KeithWilson's avatar

@DrasticDreamer Yes, but it got modded so I rephrased it and asked it again.

KeithWilson's avatar

I think the language of the first question was kinda strong.

KeithWilson's avatar

I toned it down some.

KeithWilson's avatar

But I still want to know the answer.

KeithWilson's avatar

If anyone will take me seriously.

TexasDude's avatar

Ok, you obviously want to be taken seriously. If you can provide some hard evidence that the experiences you have had are unique and paranormal, and that you have made predictions that have come true, then we will see…

KeithWilson's avatar

@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard In my own experiences these things have happened. You would need to be close to the source to recognize these things as prophecy or the fulfillment of prophecy. Like the fact that the false prophet has already been thrown into the lake of fire and the beast only has a short time on this earth before he too is cast into the lake of fire. And further, that after the beast has been thrown into the lake of fire it will then be the dragons turn to go throughout the earth and bring tribulations to the people of the earth for a two year period.

KeithWilson's avatar

But I will be protected because I’ve already gone through tribulation.

Deja_vu's avatar

Can I be a prophet too? j/k

KeithWilson's avatar

@Deja vu If you’ve got the proper faculties for it then I dont see why not.

Berserker's avatar

I see hobos down in Montréal who think they built the city with their bare hands, some say they’re Jesus. Maybe they are, too.

I don’t know.

In my mind you’re a prophet, just as much as I’m a vengeful barbarian woman kicking ass all over the place. This sick sad world however, has no place for people like us.

My answer is no, even if you are. If I end up believing you are, I’ll probably just crucify you.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Symbeline That’s why I only talk about this kind of thing online.

Randy's avatar

You want to be taken seriously? Then take my answer seriously… No. You’re not a prophet. You’re no different than any other human being on this planet. Everyone wants to be “special”.

Asking sane people a question like this is a good way to get yourself outcasted. Good luck to you on life’s journey. You’re bound to be sadly disappointed, my friend.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Randy Who’s to say it’s not possible.

Berserker's avatar

@KeithWilson Keep the faith. True prophets are never taken seriously.

Randy's avatar

@KeithWilson 95% of today’s human population.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Randy And the other five percent?

KeithWilson's avatar

Im not saying its not rare.

Randy's avatar

@KeithWilson Like I said, everyone wants to think they’re “special”.

truecomedian's avatar

What’s a prophet?

KeithWilson's avatar

@Randy Some of us really are.

truecomedian's avatar

You don’t hit prophet status until you have at least 1000 lurve

KeithWilson's avatar

@truecomedian Im young on Fluther, but wise in other areas.

truecomedian's avatar

Oh, a messenger of God, we all have a little insight we are born with that we bring with us from the other side. Some more than others, when you have a significant amount of insight more than the average human, you are a prophet. That’s easy. You just have to have done well in your past lives and you get the choice to remember enough to be considered a prophet or not. The drawback is, people that have a knowingness of life and death like that, that know things other people have to have faith to believe in, is that life can be very tough and in interesting ways.

kenmc's avatar

NO.

To quote Tyler, “You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You’re the same decaying organic matter as everything else.”

Randy's avatar

@KeithWilson So you ask peoples opinion on your prophet status but then argue their thoughts on the subject when they think you sound crazy? Did you really want people to answer this or did you just want to try to make everyone believe your story? Because I’m 100% sure that I will never believe you are a prophet. Not that my opinion really matters. I couldn’t really give any less of a fuck what you think you are. As long as it’s not bothering me, then feel free to rock your socks how you see fit. Your arguing is pointless though.

KeithWilson's avatar

@truecomedian That has to do with both the light and the dark aspects of life and death. Those who lived by the Law had to handle both issues dealing with light and life and also darkness and death. One balances the other. And neither side should be considered better or worse than the other. It’s all in how you use these different skills.

KeithWilson's avatar

@kenmc Id like to think that some of us are rare.

kenmc's avatar

@KeithWilson You’re wrong then.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Randy I actually asked this question already knowing that I was a prophet. My hope was that people would be interested in knowing what exactly I’ve come up with that makes me think that this outrageous claim could be true. What information can you get from me. Is it unique? Is it credible? What is it? You know?

truecomedian's avatar

@Randy
I think you have a good point. This question is bait for kooks like me to speak on my ideas and or beliefs. For the simple reason that it is impossible to determin if you’re a prophet or not on this site, by asking it as a question. Makes me think of why you really asked this question, I shouldn’t be so bold and pry, I’m on shakey ground as it is.

KeithWilson's avatar

@kenmc Someone has to be in the five percent.

funkdaddy's avatar

@KeithWilson – is it just wine? or could I order up water -> bourbon?

You know… before the smiting and brimstone and all that other nonsense.

kenmc's avatar

@KeithWilson What 5% are you speaking of? The 5% in relations to @Randy‘s answer? That was obviously a total estimation.

Besides, nothing makes that made up 5% right. Just because people believe in whatever garbage you sell, doesn’t make it real, nor does it justify you selling garbage to people that don’t know better than to buy it.

KeithWilson's avatar

@funkdaddy Those kind of demonstrations are rare and usually serve a purpose. Thats why these rare things happen only some of the time. Because they are involved and implimented only for a reason. Some things like this are just pointless and so just arent done. That doesnt mean that they are not possible.

TexasDude's avatar

So what, in plain terms, does the future hold? Not “a great awakening of consciousness will spread through the noosphere into each of our great inner beings.” I want cold, hard, concrete, definite explanations of these predictions you have for the world.

KeithWilson's avatar

@kenmc I wonder why it always has to be garbage. Is that how we are immediately led to believe? Maybe these things are so mundane and commonplace that they become frowned upon. But like the boy who cried wolf, one of these times its going to be real. just dont be completely pascified.

Jeruba's avatar

Would this be a good time to mention that you can update and add to a post for about ten minutes, while it says ‘Edit this response’ in red just beneath it, instead of making a separate post for every single afterthought and unnecessarily elongating the thread?

funkdaddy's avatar

@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard – didn’t you read about the dragons what more do you want man?

Honestly, can you explain why you think you’re a prophet in like a pamphlet or something and send it to me? Maybe I’ll convert and help you raise your armies… or minions… or at least some guys paired off on bikes.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard well the most important one is the two year tribulation period that will test the peoples of the earth before the great awakening. the beginning of the tribulation is officially the winter solstice 2010 and ends on the winter solstice 2012. I, however will not be tested because I have already gone through a much longer personal seven year tribulation and have come out clean at the end. I will simply watch. These dates are specific but these things are already beginning to happen. Its only a general idea of where one thing leads off into another. It flows forward more than it progresses in tics and jerks.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Jeruba Thanks for the tip.

KeithWilson's avatar

@funkdaddy the whole point would be lost if it was material things we were after. searching for the more elusive things in life is a more worth-while adventure.

Jeruba's avatar

<sufficiently annoyed> bye

kenmc's avatar

@KeithWilson I promise you, you are not the boy that “cried wolf”.

If you get followers, feel bad for them. Unless you can supply empirical evidence for your claims, then you’re the blind leading the blind away from actuality.

KeithWilson's avatar

I realize some of these things dont really need to be said. Sorry for the whole thread everybody. Thanks for indulging me.

funkdaddy's avatar

You’ve convinced me…

Honestly you had me at “dragons” but I felt I needed to do my research.

KeithWilson's avatar

“The Dragon” means Satan.

KeithWilson's avatar

After the beast is thrown into the lake of fire, the dragon will go throughout the earth and deceive the nations.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@KeithWilson Will he at least look like a dragon? If not, that’s kinda boring.

funkdaddy's avatar

Never mind then… I thought dragons were coming.

Perhaps Jeruba could help you out with the use of apostrophes? She’s a grammer goddess and patron saint of literary methods.

KeithWilson's avatar

@DrasticDreamer Most people wont see him in any physical form at all but it will rather be felt or known. Some may see actual physical incarnations of the enemy, but Im not sure how this would affect a person.

KeithWilson's avatar

Its not something we should be surprised about. It has been a long time coming.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@KeithWilson Well, I wanna see him. But I suppose if I end up in hell, I’ll get to see him all the time.

mammal's avatar

Revelations

We await the Anti-Christ with trepidation.

How will we know him?

Will his arrival be preceded by thunder,
Unrolling into a gathering crescendo across the Heavens
Followed by a diabolical hail of Sky-Monsters?

Will the harbours and sewers boil and froth
And cough forth reeking Hell-Fish?

Maybe, Maybe far worse.

He may set about his business, mainly unnoticed, and unchallenged,
Discreetly performing such anti-miracles,

For example.

As blinding the masses
before taking the bread and fish from five thousand people
in order to feed one such person.

TexasDude's avatar

mammal is crafting a response…

This is gonna be good.

KeithWilson's avatar

I also know what the “great delusion” is.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@KeithWilson I don’t. Fill me in.

KeithWilson's avatar

@DrasticDreamer Aliens. Aliens is the powerful delusion that is spoken about in the bible.

mammal's avatar

We know we shouldn’t humour him, but we can’t quite leave it alone. Why is that?

Berserker's avatar

@mammal Cuz it’s Fluther.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@mammal We’re sick people. That need to be led to righteousness. Duh, silly.

KeithWilson's avatar

The world is about to go through an amazing transformation. Everything will be worked out in a satisfactory way.

KeithWilson's avatar

The news is dropping early.

KeithWilson's avatar

Now that I’ve done this I need to address the issue here for a moment. This has been an experiment. I’ve learned a lot from this thread about what it is I need to do. I apologize for the way this thread went. Thank you all for indulging me. Maybe what I just did is considered trolling, but I just had to get some of this stuff off of my mind. Also, I realize in hindsight that the sort of pretentious bragging and outrageous statements I’ve made didnt help my cause in the least bit. Just know that I didn’t expect it to happen quite how it happened. It’s been a learning experience for me. I realize how difficult it is to share the kind of thoughts that I have in a productive way. I may just not try it like this again.I have more to say, but I think its just so much excess. Thanks for humoring me.

KeithWilson's avatar

As a prophet I feel very humbled after doing this because I really realized how sensitive what I am trying to do really is. I’ve gained potential insights from the experiment, but I’ve also received somewhat of a weight from it. I dare say that I feel foolish. Anyone out there with a mind could figure out what is wrong with this picture, and I can clearly see it too. Its gross. I can’t condone that sort of behavior for myself. If I really am what I say I am than I don’t need to have it validated and I don’t need to make light of my potential revelations. Again, I apologize for not being very smart and making a mockery of things in which I truly believe.

KeithWilson's avatar

This will change my view-point on things for a while.

KeithWilson's avatar

the daily sacrifice has been removed and the abomination that causes desolation has been set up.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

I don’t know. And it doesn’t matter, to me.

augustlan's avatar

@KeithWilson When we discussed this before, didn’t you mention that you have schizophrenia? I’m afraid that this delusion is a rather common trait in people with your disorder. It’s just the mental illness talking. I’m sorry.

KeithWilson's avatar

@augustian I asked for schizophrenia before I ever had it during a near death experience in which I talked with God. I also asked to tell the truth. I believe that God has given me in full measure. Schizophrenia is the proverbial thorn in my side which keeps me humble while I expound on the truth.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

Ah, I had no idea he was schizophrenic. I will contribute to his questions in an entirely different way from now on. /punishes self.

KeithWilson's avatar

Do I get to be patronized more? Or maybe I get to be treated more clinically. Lol

KeithWilson's avatar

Dont take offense im just joking.

KeithWilson's avatar

I’ve handled schizophrenia for seven and a half years. I’m kinda getting used to it. It has its good side and its not so good side, but I think maybe it is a gift of some sort. In fact Ive often wondered if it was equally a curse, but channeled properly it can be a great mind expanding tool. I opened up to it for its potential mind-altering properties and the treasures of such a state of mind. I took the good with the bad. But I balanced it by asking to speak the truth, which took a lot longer to fully cultivate to the point it is at now.

KeithWilson's avatar

So much of truth is perception and mine is shifting right now. This thread is premature. I should already be at the point where I dont even have to talk about these things. I should be keeping them to myself until I see their full fruition. Then maybe talk about whats happened. Im hoping that by that time talking will be unnecessary and people will just know what this means. Transcribing it only takes away from what it really is. I couldnt possibly write out all the the nuances of thought and ideas that I have about all of this. My purpose is just to implement them. Thank you for you patience while I figure this stuff out.

mammal's avatar

@KeithWilson

in the course of this thread you have exhibited all the classic symptoms of schizophrenia, veering wildly from delusions of grandeur to an embittered sense of humility, but it has been fun. may i suggest finding a position of equilibrium and cultivating a sense of humour, particularly a sense of humour.

KeithWilson's avatar

@mammal I am an eccentric what can I say. I enjoy my delusional meanderings. God knows even my abnormal thoughts and considers them. Thank you for enjoying them with me.

mammal's avatar

@KeithWilson peace by unto you :)

KeithWilson's avatar

Thanks mammal.

janbb's avatar

I think you are on the wrong site for this question. The internet is a big, wide world and you might have more luck being a prophet on a less down-to-earth site.

flutherother's avatar

I’ve got a track record of amazing experiences and I predicted that the sun would come up this morning (it did) along with a thousand other predictions. I can even see a little of what the future holds for humanity but no body listens to me. Are you a prophet? Of course you are.

BarnacleBill's avatar

I’m not so sure you can proclaim yourself a prophet; it’s one of those things that others have to recognize in you.

KeithWilson's avatar

@BarnacleBill I see. Great insight into it. I was once called a powerful prophet.

truecomedian's avatar

I love what you’ve done with the place Keith, using a real sounding name, possibly your real one, and declaring yourself a prophet. You just put on the meat suit in the piranha tank buddy. See I’m from Southern California, I’m just cool no matter what, so no worries here. You should track down other prophets and compare notes, that would be sweet. Your at least smart so you got that going for you. So you believe in God, good deal, it’s tough being enlightened ain’t it. I’m cursed with super sexiness, I just have to fight em off with an exotic wood cane. Maybe we can find other people with super powers and fight crime, we can start here and bust these mean ass people. Im so tired right now I dont know what Im saying.

KeithWilson's avatar

@truecomedian LOL. Youre funny! I would like to compare notes with other prophets. I wonder if there are any out there of my caliber. I have a feeling that in a group of prophets I would be the one teaching the others the true doctrine. Not to be humble or anything. maybe if you and i join forces you can be the supersexy prophets side-kick. So that the people have something to look at while I preach. LOL and thanks for calling me smart.

Trillian's avatar

I skipped the whole thread. To the original question; Not onlly no, hell no. Seriously, get some help. You are not only not a prophet, you are a sad specimen of humanity seeking attention and approval, and in serious need of medication and therapy. I think that it is not well done that people feed into your delusions and I personally won’t do it.
Get some help..

KeithWilson's avatar

@Trillian Wow. That was a very close-minded thing to say.

Trillian's avatar

Considering that I’ve dealt with you and your questions before, I think not. You do this every so often. I tol you before that I suspeced that you had had a head injury, possibly an ABI. From the type of questions that you ask, I would also expect perhaps epilepsy. You are delusional and quite possibly a danger to yourself and others. Seek help.

Winters's avatar

Stop making “prophecies,” all you “prophets” are really really getting on my nerves since my Mom pesters me about every one she hears.

The only thing that’s certain in the future is that we all die at some point, everything else is a gamble… ish.

Cruiser's avatar

Tell me where I will find my car keys and you will earn you place in the Prophet Hall of Fame!

truecomedian's avatar

@Trillian
Woah, are you really getting that upset, you don’t need to, you’re better than that. I love the epilepsy reference, that’s a crack up. I’ll agree that there is some humor to all this, it’s a skill asking questions that get people’s goat, or seem too. I’m not trying to diminish your tirade, just understand it and where it’s coming from.

iamthemob's avatar

I was going to say that if you have to ask, you’re not a prophet. But then you said you already knew you were. So, I will say that it is not your job to tell people you’re a prophet. It is their job to tell you. Ask them to consider you a prophet and they will not. If you truly are, your prophecies will speak for themselves.

I haven’t heard anything that isn’t vague, based on Christian myth, or hasn’t been said before. The thing of it is, what you have predicted is realization for the world. This will, apparently, occur whether or not you say it will, and you will only observe it. Therefore, you are not an important factor in it, it is an important thing for you. Considering that you are not part of this apparent tribulation, and it is a realization for the rest of the world, there’s no need for you to ask anyone to believe you, or convince them you’re a prophet, or say anything at all.

I would say this is a delusion – but even if it’s not…it’s unnecessary for you to talk about it.

KeithWilson's avatar

@iamthemob Thats the conclusion this thread has come to. I realize just what youre saying. Thank you for your polite response.

truecomedian's avatar

Ain’t gonna bother me none what you say you are, my mind so open I got sunlight coming out my eyeballs. You generated over a hundred responses, that’s amazing in itself.

starsofeight's avatar

Just do what you do. Use all your gifts to right all wrongs. Remember to stand in the sunshine, and smile.

CaptainHarley's avatar

@KeithWilson

For your further edification and delight, it has been established that creativity and schizophrenia are linked. Congratulations! : )

KeithWilson's avatar

@CaptainHarley Thank you for the find.

gailcalled's avatar

Please let me know asap what the US bond market is going to do next week.

syz's avatar

Nope.

truecomedian's avatar

I suffer from schizophrenia a bit. Got a doc and pill. Can’t hardly tell I got it these days. Guess I saw the need for some advocacy here, it’s a powerful illness, but it can be treated pretty well these days. So unless he’s staying unmedicated to increase his suppossed talents, like making it work for him to the degree where fiction and reality blur, then it’s alright, ok? I remember when I was untreated, I would get these episodes where I was sure I was doomed. Now adays I’m lucky enough to no longer have those spells, and my problems are real which makes them much easier to solve, ah hem

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

I don’t think you are.:)

tranquilsea's avatar

If you are taking your medication then you need to get yourself into your doctor or psychiatrist and let them know they are not working.

Nothing good can come from letting yourself slip ever further down the rabbit hole.

truecomedian's avatar

Some religions have prophets in this day and age, it’s odd to me but I guess it’s cool. I mean, to be acknowledge for having superior insight would be kinda nice. The thing that makes it kind of funny, is why would anyone want to be a prophet, talk about a PR nightmare, the calls, the press, the drama, screw that, I’m just going to try to hold onto what will sustain me one more day and try and not have any thoughts from the other end of the spectrum, like a belief that your defective and your sad life is proof, that’s my reality. Lost a good friend today, well, only friend. I wish them peace.

lloydbird's avatar

@KeithWilsonI would like to compare notes with other prophets.

I’ve found a few that you might like to study:-
1 David Icke
2 David Shayler
3 Rev. Zen Benefiel

These people, as I suspect also with yourself, are motivated by a desire to do good. But I also think that they, and you, have succumbed to a delusion that some have termed a Messiah Complex. This tends to diminish their utterances and invites ridicule, as you have noticed here. But that doesn’t alter the core intention to do good.

To answer your initial question, I would say Prophet is as prophet (prophecy) does.
So if you think you are, just do it. Walk the walk.
But bear in mind that you might be acting under a delusion.

As a point of interest, have you ever considered that there might be a causal link between sugar and schizophrenia?

jaytkay's avatar

@KeithWilson Make a prophecy in this thread. If it comes true that will bolster your claim.

Coloma's avatar

I have a large pink candle that melted into the shape of a penis on my deck last summer with the image of the virgin Mary encoded in the tip.

She is weeping real tears of wax and looks terribly forlorn being stuck inside a penis sculpture.

You’re welcome to it Keith, perhaps you and Mary can commune about your true destiny.

deni's avatar

what a grumpy bunch of naysayers, eh? you could be a prophet! i, and everyone else on this thread, can’t say that you AREN’T with anymore certainty than we can say that you ARE.

chyna's avatar

@jaytkay Could you recap his prophecy for me? I don’t have the stamina to read through all his meanderings.

tranquilsea's avatar

He has already said that he is a diagnosed schizophrenic. From what I’ve read in this question and his answers it screams that he is lapsing into religious delusions. We shouldn’t be encouraging these delusions. We should be encouraging him to go and talk to his doctor about what he is thinking so they can help him get this under control before he ends up on a psychiatric ward.

Pepshort's avatar

Is money accrued by an insider trading tip a ‘false profit’?

truecomedian's avatar

@tranquilsea
No way, the more dillusional the better. But then again, don’t you think it’s possible to ask a question that is just to create a reaction. It’s actually one of the more fun things to do on this site, because it’s total idiot bait, no offense. But all the fools come out of the wood work and attack the question and asker, it’s usually pretty entertaining.

chyna's avatar

^^Yes they do.

truecomedian's avatar

The Mormons got a prophet, the odd thing about that is he just coincidently is already a Mormon in good standing with the church. They just happen to have real live prophets already on hand it’s amazing.

lloydbird's avatar

@truecomedian Do prophets have to be dead and from long ago?

truecomedian's avatar

@lloydbird
Let me check my prophet handbook, let’s see here, first rule don’t claim to be Jesus unless you got enough weed to last at least a year, because nobody would sell to Jesus. No nothing about them having to be old-timey. I personally believe in prophets, but it’s because my definition being that they were born with a higher insight potential based on their parents credit rating.

lloydbird's avatar

@truecomedian I see.
Er….I think. ....

KeithWilson's avatar

Is it so hard to believe that there really are prophets nowadays? Anyway the prophecy I’m talking about is the daily sacrifice being abolished and the abomination that causes desolation being set up. Also the false prophet has been thrown into the lake of fire and the beast is not too far behind him.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@KeithWilson It’s hard to believe because there are simply more and more people who don’t believe in god anymore.

KeithWilson's avatar

@DrasticDreamer I see. This is something that also has to do with my line of work.

funkdaddy's avatar

@KeithWilson without prophecies or a history of correct predictions… yes, it’s hard to for anyone to believe that there are prophets today. There’s just no evidence.

We played around last night and I honestly thought you were having a bit of fun as well. If you honestly believe you may be a prophet, but aren’t able to show anyone any convincing evidence of prophecy you may want to start with one person who is motivated to help you find the truth.

Good luck.

KeithWilson's avatar

@funkdaddy Yeah. It was a lot of fun. And I try not to take myself too seriously. All work and no play is no fun at all. I have tried to keep the conversation pretty light-hearted. I do know that I really am a prophet or whatever you want to call it and I’m not desperate for validation if thats what you mean. Actually, I have no intention of talking to anybody outside of cyber-space about this stuff for just those reasons. I just want to play around a little. It’s fun to interact. Thank you for your comments.

KeithWilson's avatar

@DrasticDreamer A full two-thirds of the world’s population doesnt believe in God or dont qualify as “true believers”. Of the two billion people who are left, only some of them will even know that anything is going on at all. This whole thing is about those approximately one billion people who might have an inkling of the big picture. As varied and scattered as they are.

Berserker's avatar

It’s impossible for a man to be a true believer, at least as decreed by The Bible. I think you just have to be honest and genuine about it, no matter the much you fuck up. Even Jesus, technically, would not have qualified, since He broke the rule of anger twice.
That said, I doubt technicalities have anything to do with being a prophet.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Symbeline Being a true believer and being perfect are two different things. And technicalities are extremely important. They are the playing field for us prophets.

Berserker's avatar

@KeithWilson Being a true believer and being perfect are two different things.

I believe this was the distinction I was on about. The rest of what you say kind of contradicts that, however.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Symbeline I still dont see how breaking the rules makes you a non-believer. Even true believers make mistakes.

Berserker's avatar

But…that’s exactly what I’m saying…

KeithWilson's avatar

@Symbeline It’s impossible for a man to be a true believer
Why?

Berserker's avatar

As decreed by The Bible, since most of what it condemns is what makes a human a human, to begin with.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Symbeline It says that man cannot keep the Law. Not that they can’t be true believers.

Berserker's avatar

I don’t think you get me. Being a true believer is akin to being a vegetable.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Symbeline Some of us are very powerful.

Berserker's avatar

But most of us are not. Don’t blame me, blame yourself, or blame God.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Symbeline That’s because only some of us are the fruit of the earth. The rest is just vegetation.

Berserker's avatar

That may be, but I’d rather dance with the Devil than to be led in chains by your god.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Symbeline Ive seen that it is the enemy that binds us and it is God who sets us free.

Winters's avatar

@KeithWilson what about those of us who felt chained, gagged and bound when we believed in and followed this deterministic God and found freedom in something else? Isn’t all just a matter of perspective?

Note: like I’ve mentioned on a few other OPs, I am some where between being Agnostic and a Nihilistic Atheist.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Winters Those are definitely gray areas. But I’m inclined to believe that in that scenario the person has already gone through enough doctrinization to make up for their later adverse attitude. Also I think some of that early teaching has some kind of bearing on the person even after such an apostasy.

prolificus's avatar

I’m appalled how some jellies are mocking and picking on @KeithWilson, knowing he has a mental illness. Shame on you! I’m surprised this thread is allowed to continue. It’s obvious @KeithWilson is in a crisis, and I can’t believe jokes are being made at his expense. Wow.

wundayatta's avatar

Oh man, am I getting depressed. I mean, I’m a dragon, but I’m not Satan. As far as I can tell, there’s no evidence to support the existence of God or Satan or any other religious postulate. But then, Satan would say that, wouldn’t he? Denying his own existence, as well as that of the deity. Not that I could give any evidence that I’m a dragon, either. It’s just a metaphor, anyway.

Just saying.

truecomedian's avatar

@prolificus
He’s fair game, he can hold his own. Being schizo only handicaps you to a degree. Unless your having an episode, then it feels like your being totally overwhelmed by unseen forces. I think he is enjoying this. He painted a target on his back and has held his ground, that’s better than being a lousey prophet. Mescaline can turn anyone into a prophet temporarily.

prolificus's avatar

@truecomedian – since when are people with disabilities who can “hold their own” fair game? Mental illness is a real disability, no different in terms of deserving dignity like any other visible disability. Would you say a person in a wheelchair or with a visual disability is fair game for ridicule? Would you say there’s a painted target on someone’s back if he or she posts a question indicative of his or her disability? The OP and @KeithWilson‘s subsequent comments are indicative of someone experiencing a mental health disability. Tell me what justifies anyone to make fair game of this! Outrageous!

Coloma's avatar

Addendum.

I was not aware of the the mental illness when I responded.
My reply was intended as a bit of wry humor and not a flippant response to a mentally unwell person.

Cancel.

wundayatta's avatar

None of us know if he’s mentally ill, and I don’t think anyone is capable of coming to a diagnosis without seeing a patient, even if we were psychiatrists.

prolificus's avatar

@wundayatta – earlier in the thread are several references to @KeithWilson‘s diagnosis. Once this came out in the open, EVERYONE should have backed off with the ridicule and mockery.

Coloma's avatar

@wundayatta

I am going off of what others mentioned about him being a schizophrenic, not attempting a diagnosis myself, just respectfully stating my misinformed and perhaps inappropriate reply.

wundayatta's avatar

Did he mention the diagnosis himself?

tranquilsea's avatar

@wundayatta He mentioned a couple of times (if I recall correctly) in this thread that he is a diagnosed schizophrenic and has been one for 6 or 7 years. I suspected he was when I read his question and certainly saw delusional thinking in most of his posts

tranquilsea's avatar

Oh, and @Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard asked him if he was taking his medication and he said he was. Which is why I told him he should head to his doctor and let him know what he was thinking because he may need more medication or new medication.

He is not fair game because he seems to be taking the ribbing in stride. All the ribbing is doing is playing into his delusions. Shame on anyone who thinks he is fair game.

wundayatta's avatar

ah

Then he could be struggling with two ways of thinking or seeing himself, and may even really be asking this question.

tranquilsea's avatar

@wundayatta I get the sense that he is really asking this question. At some point (and I am not going back to find the exact post) he lets us know that he knows he is a prophet because god came to him after 6 or 7 years of tribulation and told him he was one.

If I could I would print off this question and it’s responses and send it to his doctor so that doctor would know just what is going on. Alas I cannot. I hope @KeithWilson does seek out his doctor.

KeithWilson's avatar

@Thread No need to worry about me. I’m having fun.

truecomedian's avatar

@prolificus
He’s playing you like a puppet. There is difference between physical and mental handicaps. How is asking if I am a prophet proof of mental illness, you don’t know how bad his schizophrenia is. I have known a lot of handicapped people, and what they all wanted the most was to just be treated like they were normal. This person by his own words seems to be just fine interacting with the nay-sayers. I’m going to go ask if I am Jesus, and see what kind of replies I get.

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@truecomedian – I don’t know @KeithWilson, nor do I know the extent of his issues. I do know several times his diagnosis has been mentioned, and by the sound of his answers, it seems to fit. It doesn’t matter to me if his illness is mild or severe, I do not think it is appropriate to entertain someone’s dillusions or grandiose thinking if it is apparent he/she has a mental illness. It simply is not appropriate. This goes for @KeithWilson and anyone else who displays such thinking or behaviors.

You’re right when you say there’s a different between physical and mental disabilities. Generally, physical can be seen by others. There are some hidden physical disabilities, such as some hearing or visual disabilities. For the most part though, someone can see a physical disability. Mental handicaps (as you called them) are really cognitive disabilities – they can be caused by chemical imbalances, brain abnormalities or injuries, environmental causes, or a combination thereof. The unfortunate part about cognitive disabilities is that they are usually hidden (most people won’t see the disability unless there are obvious behaviors).

Both physical and cognitive disabilities are serious – they have a significant impact on those with the disability and their family and friends.

You’re right when you say that people with disabilities want to be treated like they are normal. But what does this really mean? To be treated “normal” means to be treated with dignity and respect, not to be treated unfairly, not to be mocked or ridiculed or played. It means to treat the person and their abilities on the same level as you would anyone else.

When you (or anyone else) toys with someone’s disability (as I believe has happened in this thread), then you (and anyone else) are not treating @KeithWilson like he’s “normal.” In fact, you (and anyone else) are objectifying a symptom of someone’s disability and using it for your own pleasure.

Like I said, I don’t know @KeithWilson. For all I know he could be lying and not have a disability. However, I take this thread at face value and I see someone with a disability being mistreated. I’m writing all of this to say: it is never ever cool to toy with, to ridicule or mock a person with a disability – no matter the disability, no matter the symptom. It does not matter if @KeithWilson has a bona fide disability. He says he does, his behavior verifies it, and that’s enough for me. If it’s known (that someone has a disability), to continue toying with, mocking, etc. on any level shows more about who you are as a person than it does about proving or disproving the person who has the disability. If you continue to say it’s okay, then there’s no reasoning with you – because no matter what I say from this point forward, you will defend your right to toy with, ridicule, etc., someone with a disability. In your world, it’s okay to do so if they have a mild mental disability. For you, this is okay. For me and others who have compassion, the capability of feeling empathy, and willingness to treat others with dignity, this is not okay.

KeithWilson's avatar

The ribbing doesnt bother me.

truecomedian's avatar

Yep your right prolificus, look what he just said, totally insane.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I looked through this whole thread but I couldn’t find a dragon.

prolificus's avatar

@truecomedian – He has since edited his response. Initially it was a whole paragraph about his disability and how he wants be treated.

Personally, I could care less what he says to prove or disprove his claim. It has nothing to do with my point.

I’m done. I’ve said all I’m going to say on this topic. <stopped following>

Berserker's avatar

You know, that Excalibur movie does mention something interesting. It implies that the Christian god is the new thing, and that it’s pushing away all the older, many gods. This was said by Merlin to Morgana. I wonder if that was prophesied…

talljasperman's avatar

nothing wrong with believing in your self…don’t let the people calling you ill bother you…your free to have your own religious beliefs… even if that means you think your a prophet… I have different beliefs too… just don’t kill anyone over it…

tranquilsea's avatar

I’m basing my thoughts on whether or not he is delusional from his own words.

@KeithWilson “I’ve handled schizophrenia for seven and a half years. I’m kinda getting used to it. It has its good side and its not so good side, but I think maybe it is a gift of some sort. In fact Ive often wondered if it was equally a curse, but channeled properly it can be a great mind expanding tool. I opened up to it for its potential mind-altering properties and the treasures of such a state of mind. I took the good with the bad. But I balanced it by asking to speak the truth, which took a lot longer to fully cultivate to the point it is at now.”

talljasperman's avatar

schizophrenia is just a label that doctors give when they don’t understand whats going on in the patient..1% of the population is diagnosed with some form of it

KeithWilson's avatar

I had a near death experience and when I talked to God I asked Him to be schizophrenic and to tell the truth. He gave me both in equal measure, but I believe the truth will ultimately win out over the schizophrenia. Or theyll balance each other. IDK

talljasperman's avatar

A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing… even medical knowledge…or spiritual… people get labeled and put in a hole…I know some Baptists who are crazy from walking part of the path and screwing up in the interpretation…If @KeithWilson wants to think he’s a prophet then fine with me…. just as long as I can do it too

talljasperman's avatar

: ) lurve to you KeithWilson

JustJessica's avatar

Just a thought, I’m pretty sure if “someone” was prophet they wouldn’t need to ask, that “someone” would already know.

talljasperman's avatar

@JustJessica maybe he is breaking it to us gently..or lacks self confidence…. I say all the power to him… or us… I want to be a prophet too… just don’t tell anyone… It will be our secret

mattbrowne's avatar

Interesting question. Well, I wouldn’t rule it out.

I don’t believe in direct physical contact with the divine. But I do believe in inspiration.

In the 21st century, I think it’s important to know whether someone has schizophrenia or not. Because this could be the source of amazing experiences such as hearing voices and having visions.

A useful prophet needs to convince other people capable of critical thinking.

mammal's avatar

i prophesize this to be the longest thread in fluther history, so power to @KeithWilson

KeithWilson's avatar

@mammal It’s an epic thread. lol

Dutchess_III's avatar

@mammal If he’s a prophet, then he knows the answer to the frizzer under the shell pool thread, which I THINK holds the record for the most responses before they archived it.

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