Will you let the TSA "touch your junk" next time you fly?

Rules and laws are there for a reason. if this man was carrying a plastic gun in his crotch, it would not have been detected.

We all know the law and the rules, when we travel. our personal safety is much more important that a personal search of one individuals crotch area.

If this is what it takes to keep guns and weapons off the aircrafts, then so be it.

Pat down here.

Depends… is the TSA a hot female?

This is just too much horror for me. I’d rather walk.

So we are to believe that when everyone knows they’ll be xrayed or patted down they would still carry a weapon? Wat?

Doesn’t matter to me. Flying is a privelege, not a right. If I play in someone else’s sandbox, I know to play by their rules. If I don’t like the rules, I can take my marbles and go the hell home.

What’s your opinion Cruiser? You’ve been in a situation relating to this.

I’m all for doing whatever it takes (within reason) to fly and wish others would be more cooperative. If it means keeping bombs and destructive weapons off airplanes, please TSA do what you have to do. Ummm! I wonder whats so special about Tyner’s junk?

I had a discussion about this recently. I would never submit to the full body scan, and would instead go with the pat down. The pat down reveals only the information necessary to guaranty our safety. I have no idea what is taken and recorded with the scan.

The procedures, although intrusive, are Constitutionally understandable considering that ports are places where the massive damage can be done easily, in terms of public safety, and are places between the nation’s borders, and therefore a distinct area of federal interest.

@erichw1504 – if you’re a female, it’s possible. However, it’s most likely that the procedures would mandate that someone of the same sex preform the pat-down in order to avoid potential harassment lawsuits.

@john65pennington I am with you there! I was in a plane flying during the 9/11 bull shit and that day changed things for ever. That box cutter stuff just creeps me out and you should see the nifty hunting knife that came with my 3 stone knife sharpening kit. It is a plastic knife made out of kevlar and I could do surgery with it and stab through a car door with it! What really blows though is if people really knew how much the TSA misses in their screenings they just might not ever fly again.

As long as the pat down isn’t a rub down….

@iamthemob WHAT?????? Are you saying that males can pat down females?!?? tell me it ain’t so.

As long as they don’t grope me, I don’t think I would have much of a problem with it (although it would definitely be a little uncomfortable, but necessary, in my mind).

@Aster – did you misread my post? I can’t wait, however, until we’re mature enough as a global society that this wouldn’t matter.

@Adirondackwannabe I think it is as good as it is going to get. The airline industry needs to make a profit and doesn’t need any more reasons to scare away passengers and will lobby and keep the process as quick and painless as they can to keep the customers happy. The whole process involves humans and humans make mistakes. Terrorists know this and are probing our screening weaknesses on a daily basis. This is one topic where I prefer to not know all the facts. XD

Sure, it will be the only action I’m getting.

Isn’t that the way that it’s always been done??

@lucillelucillelucille Is that what they’ve been telling you all these years? :-)

@chyna No going back for seconds.

@chyna -They say they’ll buy me dinner on the flight! Is that so wrong?? XD

Yeah i’m good with that. I do insist however on performing this cheeky little number. Well, brightens up an otherwise dreary procedure :¬)

I’ll go through a traditional metal detector, nothing else, no pat down, no scanner, no nothing. If they don’t like it ill take my money some other place, I’ll go by boat or train or coach instead.

There is no way you get to treat me like a prisoner for a service i am supposed to pay for. Furthermore, airport security is bullshit. I’m more worried about being hit by lightning than i am of being killed by terrorists. Plus, the people they are trying to stop are insane, a scanner wont stop them, they will just start stuffing their rectum full of explosives. You can’t stop a maniac that is willing to die, they will find a way.

Cruiser, what TSA is missing during screening is unbelievable. i agree, if the public only knew.

I wouldn’t like it, but I would do it.

A little off-topic, but my main concern is the policy regarding minors since the scan images are so revealing. They couldn’t do this to a 5 year old or a 14 year old, could they?

@lucillelucillelucille Dinner is nice but will they respect me in the morning??

@iamthemob “it’s most likely that the procedures would mandate that someone of the same sex preform the pat-down in order to avoid potential harassment lawsuits.”

But, what if the TSA is a gay male or female?

This is actually starting to sound like fun done under the right mood and lighting.
Edit. I forgot about the kids. Kinda puts the damper on my thought.

@poisonedantidote GA !!

@erichw1504 – the majority of the population, at least openly, is heterosexual. It’s about liability reduction. There are no procedures that would limit the liability. Cross-culturally, it is safest to have someone of the same sex do the pat-down. The sexuality of the TSA agent should not come into play.

@Aster -Yes….and they’ll call constantly XD

@noelleptc You have the solution. Call the government!

Terrorist conversation #1:

Ajmed – Infidels have scanner machine in airport now, what we do?
Jamal – No problem, you give me horrible disease, I go on plain and cough on peoples.
Ajmed – Good plan brother, but remember to put stick of dynamite in butt hole also.
Jamal – Yes brother, we make big boom.

Terrorist conversation #2:

Ajmed – Infidels have scanner machine in airport now, what we do?
Jamal – No problem, we hide nerve gas canister in my stomach.
Ajmed – But how we get it out?
Jamal – You cut me open in the toilet, release gas, and plain crashes.
Ajmed – But it will hurt and you will die!
Jamal – I am crazy fuck, i don’t care, just chloroform me so i dont make noise when u cut
Ajmed – Oh good plan my friend, plain will drop like fly.

@noelleptc One drawback to your solution: There’s some people that shouldn’t be wearing spandex.

I have nothing to hide and understand the necessity, so it’s fine with me.

@Supacase The machines were banned in some European countries for that reason.

Personally, I refuse the scanner and ask for a pat-down. I have yet to be convinced the machines are safe.

When I flew from Bogota to Miami years ago every singe passenger was frisked. It was part of the process to get into the gate area.

And we sell our souls in fear.
We bitch about the intrusive nature of government and then sit back and watch the largest government expansion in my generation, the TSA. As we continue to decry the money our governent is spending, we wish to spend “whatever it takes to keep us safe”.
As our ports and borders leak like seives we allow hourly government contracted employees to place their hands on our bodies and pat us down like criminals. Why? Where the hijackers American? (red flag) Did they take flying lessons but not landing lessons? (red flag). Did they buy one way tickets? (red flag) Did they pay cash at the counter? (red flag). If any of the above things should occur then you should have the right to touch my junk. But as a law abiding citizen traveling within the borders of the continous 48 states, I should have the right to go as I damn well please without government interference.
Just keep giving your freedoms away for 18 criminals. We have wasted Billions if not trillions to try to make our scared asses safe. Did it work? Will it ever? Then why not have sensible rules rather than a grand overreaction like the TSA. Oh and two wars, which we will never see the end of that cost.

The guy with underwear came from Amsterdam, the shoe bomber came from Europe as well, why not go make sure NOTHING gets in rather than mess with the American Citizen already here.

@thekoukoureport On 9/11 the people lived here, they took off from American airports.

@thekoukoureport ” Why? Where the hijackers American? ” No; but we don’t want to offend anyone. Politically incorrect, you know.

@lucillelucillelucille I fly 2–3 times a year and have never had a pat down and never been “scanned” so this is all new to me. Gonna fly again in January and thinking of putting a tinfoil grin on my ass!!
@noelleptc your suggestion of spandex catsuits would get me in a lot of trouble! XD

@Cruiser I was thinking the same thing about noellptc’s idea. If a woman is checking my junk, and I smell a nice scent, it’s going to get real apparent real fast what’s on my mind.

Ok, why postpone the inevitable conclusion to this insanity. Let’s just make it mandatory that all passengers and crew must be totally nude in order to fly on commercial aircraft. It makes it a bit more difficult to hide weaponry and those who won’t get naked for religious reasons are the very zealots we want to keep of the planes anyway.

@YoBob “those who won’t get naked for religious reasons are the very zealots we want to keep of the planes anyway.”

Oh, snap!

@noelleptc I kind of like your idea of the interpretive dance element of screening proceedures…make the time go by quicker! Just imagine catsuit travelers prancing about!! lol!

I can finally see what I will look like in a catsuit!

I think most of us don’t want to watch anyone get patted down too long.

First of all it would probably always be same sex doing the pat down. Second of all I have never been patted down in America in an airport. The closest was they patted my husband, well, his trousers because they were the type pf pants with pockets everywhere, cargo pants, and they were checking to make sure the pockets were empty I guess. Who cares. I guess he technically fits the “profile” olive skin, black longish wavy hair. His last name is very Jewish, but Sephardic, so people who are kind of clueless sometimes think it is an Arab name, at minimum it is unfamiliar to many people. We don’t feel like he was picked out for how he looked, and even if he was, does not bother me for a second. I would rather be frisked than xrayed.

I’ll take it out for them so that they can be certain it’s not too great a threat.

As long as there’s dinner and a movie beforehand.

Yea they took off from our airport…. How about the other questions I asked, Shouldn’t that be adequate for screening purposes. Why should an American subject themselves to such BS.

And do they pat down pre-teens too? Teens? this is gonna get ugly.

I’ve heard examples where they have made disabled children take their leg braces off and walk through the detectors. so of course it applies to everyone. Patenently ridiculous. I’ll just drive to where I’,m going thanks.

@poisonedantidote exactly what I was thinking while reading this thread. Someone this determined will just use whatever cavities they have – avoid the body scanner and get the pat down. This solves nothing, but only makes the average passenger more annoyed.

There will never be a solution to fear. The more money you throw at it the more creative the business’ that make money will become, all at the expense of the taxpayer.

Does anyone feel safer knowing that this new proceedure has been put in place?

Nineteen criminals all had the same thing in common;
Saudi Nationals
One way tickets purchased at the counter
paid cah for tickets
no luggage

All other attacks came from overseas.
Billions of wasted hours, Billions of taxpayer dollars, just to watch our freedoms fly away.

@thekoukoureport What freedoms flew away??

Freedom to travel without having some stranger stick his hand in my crotch, look in my shoes, make me take off my belt all so I can fly within my own country. How about the loss of hours standing in line waiting for the honor to have the above referenced treatment.

Thats time you never get back.

@thekoukoureport – there is no right to air travel. The right and freedom is to move between states and within the country without government restrictions on the ability to do so, not the means.

@iamthemob really? Before 19 criminals on 9/11 I could walk from ticket to airplane in 5 minutes. Before the shoe bomber I could do it without taking off my shoes, Before the underwear bomber I could do it without someone giving me a handjob.

You want to argue under the strict definition of rights go ahead. But as an American citizen I should not be subjected to any of this and I wont. You wish to think this helps… wait for the “button bomber” or the “Ball sac bomber” then what else will you give up without even a whimper.

I don’t wish to think that this helps – I don’t really think that it does. I don’t notice a significant change in time getting through security (pre-scanners, that is) from before 9/11 until now.

I think the scanners are ridiculous – we’re taking it too far. Far too far (the shoes were a nice bit of ridiculous as well). However, what I argue is not a strict definition of rights – it is the definition of rights. People have been bitching about air travel in one way or another for years – the increase in expense, the loss of amenities, the charges for bags, etc., etc. Although this is coming from the government, there is nothing preventing anyone from using another means of travel. Practically, of course, much of the time one needs to fly. But it’s counter-productive to try to claim that it’s a violation of our rights, because it’s not… if this is finally too much for air travelers, we dispute the policy as an invasion too far, or we don’t fly.

@thekoukoureport You are free to take a bus, or a train or walk. Paid for travel is a choice…a free choice for that matter, not a right! Nor is enforcing security and safety for that flight a infringement on your freedom to choose not to subject yourself to security protocols.