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Should there be required busing in beauty pageants?

Asked by john65pennington (29268points) November 27th, 2010

This question hit me from another Fluthers question. I am for any and all equality, in the races, in America. Each person should have the same rights as everyone else. This is why I ask this question, concerning beauty pageants. We have a Miss Black America, but not a Miss White America. Why is this? Question: the government iniated busing for school students, so that racial equality could take place. So, why not institute busing for beauty pageants? This way, Miss Black America’s Beauty Contest would have an equal amout of white contestants. And, the Miss White America’s Beauty Contest would an equal amout of black contestants. Sounds simple to me.

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jlelandg's avatar

And what about an Ugly Pageant?

KatawaGrey's avatar

I don’t understand the question. Are there different major beauty pageants for different races?

Seaofclouds's avatar

@KatawaGrey Yes there are. There is a Miss Black America, Miss Black USA, Miss Latina US, Miss America Latina, and Miss Teen US Latina pageant. I believe there are others, but those are the main ones I could find. In addition, many cities and states across the country have individual contests for African Americans and Latinas so that they can go to the bigger pageants for their race (such as the Miss Black Sacramento pageant).

If we bussed people of all races to each pageant, those pageants would not be for just one race anymore. Which defeats the purpose of those pageants.

Jeruba's avatar

Would you propose the same for other competitions? for example, Black Engineer of the Year, Asian-American Engineer of the Year, etc. (Nope, no White Engineer of the Year.)

nikipedia's avatar

BECAUSE THE MISS AMERICA IS ALMOST ALWAYS WHITE. OBVIOUSLY. Jesus fucking christ.

iamthemob's avatar

There seems to be a tendency to treat equality and diversity as mutually exclusive concepts. I’ll say that it’s not really an appropriate comparison when you bring busing in the education context into this. Greater racial diversity in schools is a benefit, but the main reason is the difference in school quality and available educational opportunities. Prior to desegregation, schools in many areas were based on a “free choice” scenario. However,

“many Southern districts replaced freedom-of-choice with geographically based schooling plans; but because residential segregation was widespread, this had little effect [on desegregation], either. In 1971, the Court in Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education approved busing as a remedy to segregation; three years later, though, in the case of Milliken v. Bradley (1974), it set aside a lower court order that had required the busing of students between districts, instead of merely within a district. Milliken basically ended the Supreme Court’s major involvement in school desegregation; however, up through the 1990s many federal trial courts remained involved in school desegregation cases, many of which had begun in the ‘50s and ‘60s. American public school systems, especially in large metropolitan areas, to a large extent are still de facto segregated.”

It’s a remedy to attempt to eliminate the functional separate-but-inequal education mentality that exists functionally in many areas, if not legally.

Now, participating in one pageant or another doesn’t deprive you of an equal education. Not everyone gets to participate. Therefore, there isn’t an uneven distribution of a fundamental resource.

Now, as to the existence of a Miss Black America, it was of course because the Miss America Pageant did not allow ethnic minorities to compete. And now, even though they can, there was no black Miss America until 1984.

Once they were allowed to compete in the first pageant, it doesn’t mean that they had a remotely fair chance of succeeding. Further, just because they were finally allowed to compete, doesn’t mean that they should then stop having a pageant which had come to mean something to them culturally. Consider this reaction:

“once a Black newspaper asked “Why should there be a Miss Black America Pageant since the Miss America Pageant now accepts Black women?” The response was: “You wouldn’t suggest closing your Black newspaper simply because a major white daily published a story about a Black, would you?””

Finally, because we are talking about women that are meant to be public representatives, it is as important that minority woman have someone that they can look up to, as the image of what a woman is, particularly what a beautiful woman is, and overwhelmingly what a successful woman is has been white. Therefore, there is still an important social value to continuing the pageant despite an ability to participate now in what was formerly, actually, the thing you were wondering about – the “Miss White America.”

KatawaGrey's avatar

Oh, okay, thank you @Seaofclouds. I think that these pageants should remain separate because different races have different standards of beauty. Unfortunately, we live in a white normative country (USA) so white standards of beauty would apply to every contestant in a “normal” beauty pageant. If beauty pageants are to continue that’s a whole other problem then we need either need to somehow do away with the standard of beauty we have now or continue to have separate pageants for separate standards of beauty.

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