What will it take until we are tolerant of Gay people?

Agreed. I don’t understand how in this day and age of advanced technology and continuous learning that people still have an issue with this. It’s a scary fucking world.

Well, one thing it takes is this.

@crisw :-)

Eh? We’re already tolerant. I can’t even remember the last time I dragged my gay cousin behind the ol’ pickup truck.
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What you’re asking for isn’t tolerance, but permissiveness or else acceptance. Big difference.
Edited because this is Zen talking. I didn’t notice that the first time around.

The constant refusal to not strive to understand why any individual who is intolerant to gay people has become so, and to strive to show how fallacious arguments supporting such intolerance are flawed.

@Nullo – Is it appropriate to make a sarcastic comment about brutal treatment of a group, though, in response to a question meant to deal with a deep social issue? I’ve felt horrified when I’ve seen dismissive statements regarding Christianity on here that weren’t nearly as cruel as the above, regardless of the tilde. And I’ve attempted often to rally against it. Don’t I deserve the same courtesy, at least?

Probably getting to the point where we don’t refer to them as
“gay” people.

@iamthemob The purpose of my sarcasm is to underscore the meaning of tolerance and how it differs from other words. Too often, people think that tolerance = permissiveness.
We are, by and large, tolerant of gays. I might drag my cousin behind my car on a really bad day, but that’s because he’s a massive jerk, not because he’s gay.
You think that it’s inappropriate?

The distinction is important. Tolerance is a simple thing, a very simple thing when you get right down to it. Too simple, in fact, to dispense with. But it’s being conflated with permissiveness, so that people get the idea that permissiveness, too, is too simple to dispense with, thereby bypassing all sorts of religious, philosophical, and cultural issues and eventually treading on lots of toes.

This is a battle of ideologies.

@Nullo – How is tolerance different from permissiveness? Also, what is the line to be drawn in relation to the gay community?

@Nullo I can’t even remember the last time I dragged my gay cousin behind the ol’ pickup truck.

@iamthemob Is it appropriate to make a sarcastic comment about brutal treatment of a group

I thought he meant he dragged his gay cousin behind the truck and they made love.

Time, just like everything else. And a shitload more of it if I may say so.

@iamthemob Tolerance is not chewing out the chatterbox behind you in the movie theater. Permissiveness is not having a problem with having your movie interrupted by the peanut gallery.

The things my daughter has to put up with from strangers when she is minding her own business is appalling. She was at work, waiting on a long line customers, and some man walked back up after going through the line, and said, “I’ve got to ask. Are you a guy or a gal?” She said she was a girl, and the man said, “You don’t look it. Are you gay? Do you like girls?” To which she looked at the man, looked at his wife, and said, “Do you butt-fuck your wife?”

I heard the story, not from my daughter, but it was recounted by a neighbor, who knew the couple, and was appalled at what the “gay girl” had said.

@Nullo – Alright. Those are fair. How does that relate to whether or not we are tolerant of gay people? Because in order to be tolerant of gay people, we also have to factor in the fact that gay people want equal treatment under the law.

I recently found out that at church camp, when she was 10, some boys pinned her down and pulled down her pants to see if she was a girl or not. She was in a phase where she was dressing like a boy. The counselor in her cabin told her that it was her own “fault,” that if she wore girl clothes or pink, the boys wouldn’t have done that.

She’s had guys walk up to her on the street and grab her breasts, on a bet from other guys. More than once, she’s had to run into a Safe Place and call the police. This is in a “good” part of town, in daylight.

After the incident at church camp, she became very angry. She stopped talking to people. She started cutting herself, and stopped eating. This went on for most of middle school. She saw a counselor for 3 years.

I love my daughter unconditionally, and I love her friends. Not because she is mine, but because she is a worthwhile, giving person, in spite of what she’s been through. She’s gone without food so she could give money to people who she thought needed it. She goes out of her way to say nice things to people who need to hear a kind word. She accepts other people. All she wants is to be seen for this person, not as “the gay girl.”

@Nullo Thanks.

ZEN OUT.

Edit: @blondsjon (sp?) You are right! They should just be referred to as “people”, however, there is a reality – and that reality, hatred and bias of Gays – to the point where a child took his own life – inspired this question. I, for one, agree with you – no need to single out Gays, Jews, Blacks or Inuit. People. But how do we talk about a group, a culture, an ethnicity, a race (yeah – I know – there’s just one race – the human race) without these stereotypes? I am asking – not stating a fact.)

People are already increasingly tolerant of homosexuals. As for acceptance. You will never have complete acceptance for anything. Always going to be someone who has a problem with what you do no matter what it is. You shouldn’t even expect them to accept it. They will make that decision on their own. You can’t coerce people to change anything. Why even try? I hardly see fluther as a place of acceptance. Too many different typles of people here. Some think their sh*t don’t stink. You will never have 100% acceptance on anything. This includes homosexuality. As for me I could care less wether someone is gay or not. Not my business.

Not sure about attitudes in other countries, but this question is about 20yrs out of date as far as i’m concerned…living in England as I do. Not an issue at all, hasn’t been for a long time.

I would say 2 more generations. then we will be close to growing up as a nation(America). This country started only 250 years ago. We are babies in the world with a culture that is still learning to accept everyone. Plus our country is the most diverse of any nation, with people from every country in the world represented. Europe had it’s dark ages, we in America have and continue to go through ours, But the period of enlightenment is right before our eyes.

@ucme – It would be nice if gays could get married in England, though.

No doubt, although “nice” sounds a touch understated.

I think you missed the irony.

No not at all, maybe you did!!

No you did.

I know you did so there!

:P

:P with sleigh bells on!

am i the only one getting turned on here?

well my ding dong is getting merry…..ish.

@Blondesjon Nope. :D

Sex, anyone?

I’m the male of the species…..you?

You can be on the bottom, then.

Thanks awfully, promise to be gentle though….I bruise easily! Events have a taken a truly surreal turn!

@ucme Hi. I didn’t see you there until now. What are you talking about? We seem to be posting parallel comments which have no meaning…

@seazen This happened to you too!?! Amazing, others seemed to feel the need to add their own unfunny ....... unoriginal….....personal take on this shit! I am perplexed! Still we’re off topic derailed kaput, but it’s fine cos it’s your thread! Notrhing like a bit of self derailing, I dabble myself you know….

Dabble dabble… it’s the end of the thread as we know it…and I feel fine

One small question remains. What on earth is a “Notrhing?” See my post above. Shameful disgrace, I should be purged immediately!

Not chance of you ever being purged. But that’s why we lurve thee. :D

Aww shucks, you’re just fuckin sayin dat XD

Hey it’s better than nuthin amirite? XD

No swearing in this thread. Purged or not.

@Symbeline Yanotrong there like bonnie lass XD
@seazen Yes m’lud okay m’lud…..three bags fuckin full m’lud ;¬}

Arrrgh

“Tolerant” promotes an notion that is hopelessly vague and subjective.