Discuss Pride vs self esteem?

I see them as about the same thing, but on different levels of abstraction.
Pride is an immediate response to successful action-it is more concrete and less abstract.
Self esteem is more abstract- something that is experienced after multiple affirmations of effectiveness. Self esteem is an accumulation of pride.
Both are virtues.

Ego NEEDS to be right, recognized, reassured. External validation is tantamount.

Pride is self induced, needs no outside recognition, basks in the joy of a job well done, a challenge overcome, without need of external validation to validate.

@Coloma Really? I thought Pride was equal to ego, and self esteem was self induced, needs no outside recognition, just the opposite of what you are saying. Interesting isn’t it?

Ego is the part of your personality that dictates your sense of self. Self-esteem is how you feel about yourself; pride drives what you want others to recognize in you.

Pride and/or self esteem have nothing to do with other people. They would exist if you were stranded on a desert island.

@josie Not really, both concepts are used to describe certain experiences, but they do not exist on their own.

@YARNLADY when you say they don’t exist on their own, do you mean some text book definition of pride or self-esteem that I’m not understanding? I agree with @josie on the desert island example. Alone in a deserted place, for instance, I would value myself and have enough feelings of self worth that my self-esteem would keep me on schedule, clean, eating properly, seeking adequate shelter and other things I consider civilized.

When my tasks were completed, because of my self-esteem, I would take pride in what I had accomplished.

@YARNLADY But you would experience them if you were stranded alone on a desert island. Point being that they are not dependent upon somebody else’s conclusion about you. They exist without “social metaphysics”.

I agree with @Josie. I know when I cook a meal that is absolutely excellent, it doesn’t matter what others say. I am proud of what I produced. There have been times when people told me a meal was great. Well, of course I thank them but it is when I am really surprised by how good it taste that it most matters to me. I never measure any of my reciepes so they don’t always come out exact replicas and sometimes I may change an ingredient that makes it the best I ever had. In the end it is what I think that counts.
I think of ego as taking credit for being born with good looks, or a slim figure or ample bust, etc. etc. Not something they had to work at but they live to hear others talk about it. (Which by the way is a sign of poor self esteem.)

@YARNLADY

I supposed self esteem as pride, but yes, kind of backwards.

I think you would have self-esteem on a deserted island, but pride would be useless without an audience. Self-esteem would keep you thinking that there would be hope of being rescued.

To value ourself,to know ones self-worth,to love ones own-self for whatever we are would be self-esteem.
To value and love what we are good at would be pride.
A high self-esteemed person need not be proud,but one who has pride will definitely be self-esteemed.Pride is inclusive or self-esteem.
Ego is when pride sustains itself in some bad or negative way.
‘I am beautiful’-could be pride; ‘I am more beautiful than her’-could be ego.
So self-esteem is self-induced.Pride is too self-induced.When we take pride in doing something,we don’t care about others opinions on it,for example i could take pride in the meal i cooked,doesn’t matter if someone else liked it or not.Ego is what need reassurance and external validation.If I cook good meals like nobody else can,or if I don’t like the someones comment on my cooked meal,that could be considered ego.

I, too, agree with @josie. Similar feelings in different circumstances.

I think of self-esteem as something you have—perhaps you feel it in yourself. In any case, you value your person, and most importantly, you don’t think you are a worthless canker sore on the upper lip of society.

Pride is different. Not really comparable. Pride has to do with how you feel about what you’ve done. If you’ve done a good job, then you might feel proud about that. Then again, you might not, if you don’t think it matches up to some standard you have internalized. If you’ve internalized a standard that is impossible to match up to by anyone other than a god, you never feel proud of what you’ve done. It’s never any good.

To such a person, having a moment of pride is an extraordinary thing. A revelation! A moment to be celebrated. It is not a moment of ego fulfillment or self-aggrandizement or something like that. It is an achievement!

Now there is a kind of pride that, I suppose, is one of the seven deadly sins. I’m not sure what it is, but I’m guessing it’s a pride that is announced to others. Quiet pride is something you know and you need. Public pride is about asking others to acknowledge your greatness (even if they don’t believe it). Or it is about exaggerating the significance of your achievements and trying to use that image as a way to get more from others than those who don’t act so prancingly prideful do?

Positive pride allows you to feel good about what you’ve done. Negative pride is an attempt to make yourself into something you are not. Negative pride can be one trick to compensate for low self-esteem. Positive pride probably requires good self-esteem for someone to allow themselves to feel it. It’s doubtful that someone with low self-esteem would feel appropriate pride. They’d either not feel proud at all, or they’d feel a hollow pride that they trumpet in order to get reassurance from others that they’ve done something to be proud of.

@wundayatta

I agree.

A feeling of ‘pride’, satisfaction, is a healthy sign of good self esteem.

If, you need others to esteem you for such, that is ego and a red flag of low self esteem.

Everyone enjoys a complement, a pat on the back for acknowledging a job well done, or an acheivment, but….if you desperately NEED outside recognition that just screams you are insecure and unable to hold good feelings for yourself, by yourself.

@wundayatta Yes, I believe you have explained it well. I sometimes get tripped up by a narrow definition of words that have an entire range of meanings.

@YARNLADY you said it all in your detail.

After I posted, I read the other answers and I am impressed. I agree with @wundayatta‘s and @YARNLADY‘s description.
By the way what if say a 3 year old, is stranded in a desert island and managed to survive somehow, ? With noone else there, I guess she woud have neither…