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Slow melting ice in fire?...

Asked by Arbornaut (2597points) January 5th, 2011

Recently on a drinking/fishing trip, I chucked some ice from the esky onto the coals of the fire. I was surprised when it took a long time to melt away, it seemed to just sit there and steam a bit. I have seen the same sort of ice melt a lot faster in warm water plenty of times. It seemed odd. Any one got any idea why this is?

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6rant6's avatar

I’d guess the melted water on the outside was a poor conductor of heat. It boiled instead of transmitting the heat. If you had the ice in water, then it would contiually be exposed to the temperature of the circulating water.

Or maybe you just had more to drink last time.

PhiNotPi's avatar

There are two types of heat conduction in a fire (the third, convection, doesn’t apply in this case). They are radiation and conduction. Radiation is infrared light emitted by the fire, and is what you feel when sitting around the fire. Conduction is heat transferred via direct contact with the heat source. When you put the ice in the fire, it immediatly cools down what it touches. The heat of the ashes the ice is touching is tranferred, but the cooling down of the ashes prevents a constant energy transfer rate. After the initial heat transfer, there is less and less heat to be transfered. Ashes are also a bad heat conducter, and that is why people can walk on hot coals. Ice is also a bad heat conducter, and is why igloos retain heat. This creates a situation in which there is very limited heat conduction between the ice and fire. That leaves radiation. However, ice is mostly transparent and doen’t absorb much light. The radiation that ignites wood on fire goes right through the ice. I have seen this effect myself, and that is why people dump water on fires to put them out, not ice.

filmfann's avatar

The mass of the water will surround and penatrate the ice. The fire just hits it from below.

MilkyWay's avatar

maybe it was covered in something, or maybe it was soo cold that it really did give the heat a hard time in lettin it in…

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