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How do you pass some information on to someone in a secure manner?

Asked by markferg (1882points) March 2nd, 2011

This is just a thought experiment. I don’t have any nefarious deeds to keep secret, honest! But read on, I can think of a possible situation that many people could find themselves in at some point in the future.

I was just wondering about how you communicate some information without leaving an incriminating trail. It comes off the back of someone going to jail for a letter he sent 25 years ago. He was tracked down by DNA on the gum! That was a very serious case and I have no sympathy for that person but it shows how easy it is to leave a trail for future tracing by technologies we can’t even really imagine today. Also, the recent emails trails from HBGary Federal showing possible criminal activity. More importantly, there are calls to investigate some of the people involved with HBGary Federal that should have known that some of the activities were likely illegal but apparently did nothing to show that they were not happy with some of the proposals, so now you have to create trails to show that you are specifically not involved if you get a problem email sent to you! And now we’ve got a video of John Galliano’s racist, drunken rant (again, no sympathy there!) but you get the point. Actually, what I was thinking about is a situation where someone emails you and says something that might be a technical illegality, you personally don’t think it is a big deal but you ‘officially’ want to distance yourself in case it comes back to try and bite you one day. You could send a reply pointing out the problems but then phone the person to explain the actual reason for your reply rather than just leave it and look like a snooty goody two shoes, but that is probably recorded and stored somewhere. So, you probably have to meet the person face to face.

The problem today is that recording devices are much, much more common than before. Most phones have a voice recording feature nowadays and directional microphones are much cheaper as well, so you wouldn’t have to be the NSA to eavesdrop on and record a conversation any more. I’m not even sure that whispering in the ear would be safe. It seems to me that you would need to give the person something written down and you watch them read it and then destroy the paper. All well and good but then you have to be careful about producing the paper and getting rid of it! You might think about using your computer and then printing it out but that is fraught with problems too! Seems like you’d have to go back to pen and paper, or a manual typewriter. But you’d still have to think about destroying the ribbon from the typewriter and if you used a pen you’d need to be sure that the underlying surface didn’t also keep an impression. Then destroying the paper would probably require burning and where can you easily burn things nowadays AND you’d need to make sure the resulting ash was broken up small enough not to have anything reconstructed. It all seems a big, big hassle.

I know, I’m being paranoid, but am I missing a much easier way to do it?

To be honest, if I was communicating with someone I didn’t know well, I’d reply with my reservations and leave it at that. If it was someone I knew well, I’d probably be meeting them regularly and I’d just mention it to them. I’m sure I’d have enough respect for them not to be thinking that they go about secretly recording all their conversations!

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Bellatrix's avatar

You could go to a public phone that is outside of the normal places you would visit and call the person, perhaps disguise your voice? You can buy devices to do that I believe (not that I have tried). To my knowledge (and I am not an expert) the authorities cannot record phone calls without a warrant.

markferg's avatar

@Mz_Lizzy – interesting idea! I’m not sure that disguising your voice is less strange than waving a piece of paper under someone’s nose though! And where can you find a working, hygenic public phone nowadays? Secrecy does seem to be a big hassle.

Bellatrix's avatar

You see, where I live, there are hygenic phones… well .. hygenic enough I would think. As long as you aren’t totally paranoid about gerns. You could always take some of those disinfectant wipes? In some places though I would imagine you would have to drive a long way to find a working phone. I do recall from watching The Wire though, that ‘they’ can’t record calls to public phones without a warrant, so I think you should be right. The Wire is of course a valid source in terms of espionage or legal monitoring of citizens.

Was there something that made you wonder about this….

I have a sort of paranoia about there being a murder in my local area and someone checking out my bookshelf… I have seen Se7en.

markferg's avatar

I think I’ve been watch too much CSI lately.

Foolaholic's avatar

There is only one way to properly pass information, and that is on a tiny slip of paper that changes hands by way of some nice old-fashioned sleight of hand.

aprilsimnel's avatar

Mrs. Houdini would pass the key that freed Harry with a kiss.

markferg's avatar

@aprilsimnel – simple. And yet, who knows where it could lead? Could add a whole new series of things to be kept secret!

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

You said it right here:To be honest, if I was communicating with someone I didn’t know well, I’d reply with my reservations and leave it at that.
If you want to keep a secret,then keep your mouth shut. ;)

LuckyGuy's avatar

Maybe you can hide it in plain sight like My Book’s vent holes , which are “actually Morse code marketing speak—the code spells out personal, reliable, innovative, design, and simple, repeating over and over again.”

tranquilsea's avatar

The only way I can think of passing on information is face to face and telling them. Don’t keep any written records.

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