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In a Universe where space is expanding, how do separate galaxies manage to collide? (Strange Universe Series, 2011)

Asked by ETpro (34605points) April 23rd, 2011

Hubble just took there spectacular images of two distant galaxies interacting (read colliding). Our own Milky Way Galaxy likely faces this same fate. It appears to be on course for a collision with the Andromeda Galaxy in a mere 3 to 5 billion years.

Clearly, if all space were expanding at an accelerating rate, galactic collisions would not be possible. In fact, if all space were expanding, we’d be zooming ever further from our own Sun, and soon become a cold, barren ice ball. So space within a local cluster doesn’t expand. Why? And how large an area can be bound as a cluster exempt from spatial expansion?
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Here are the previous Strange Universe Series—2011 questions:

3—If the universe is infinite, how big is what it is expanding into?
2—How can we be certain the Uncertainty Principle is certain?
1—How do you envision space in more than 3 dimensions, then rotate it to see what happens?

The entire 2010 Series of 20 questions can be found from here.

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ragingloli's avatar

Dark energy, which is the reason for the accelerated expansion, is counteracted by gravitation.
The closer two objects are together, the weaker dark energy gets in comparison to gravitation between the objects (there is less space between them, thus less dark energy, and gravitation is stronger than at greater distance). Now, I am not an astrophysicist, but I can imagine that Milky Way and Andromeda were so close to each other, that the gravitational attraction between them was stronger than the dark energy trying to push them apart.

yankeetooter's avatar

Also, are al lgalaxies expanding from the same central point? Because, if they are not, this would explain how they could collide with each other despite expanding out from a random point…

flutherother's avatar

If two galaxies are separating due to cosmic expansion they will still collide if the gravitational force between them is strong enough. Eventually collisions will stop as all galaxies will either have merged or be receding from each other beyond the power of gravity to pull them back.

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

@yankeetooter this is not how the universe expands. See metric expansion of space.

There are objects out there in the universe heavy enough to attract galaxies across long distances. One example being The Great Attractor.

Galaxies themselves did not form perfectly homogenously throughout space in the early universe, but tended to cluster, presumably nucleating in locations that ended up slightly denser in hydrogen and helium. And there are clusters of clusters (and clusters of clusters of clusters? and so on?) and corresponding great voids.

ETpro's avatar

@ragingloli Thanks for a simple explanation.

@yankeetooter From here, everything that is at great distance appears to be moving directly away from us, and the further something is from us, the more rapidly it is receding, according to observed redshifts. That might lead on to conclude that the Big Bang occurred where Earth is today. But spacetime is more complex than that. If you could pack a giant telescope in a super-fact spaceship and travel thousands of light years, or millions of light years from Earth, you would see the same pattern suggesting that this new location was the center of the big bang. This is because spacetime itself is expanding everywhere except in areas of clusters with high gravitational attraction.

@hiphiphopflipflapflop Great links. Thanks so much for those.

mattbrowne's avatar

Gravity in galaxy clusters beats dark energy. The distant future will become very dark for our descendants. They might think the Virgo cluster is everything out there.

yankeetooter's avatar

Well, that’s good….wouldn’t want anything to happen to the Virgos, lol!

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