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NSFW Do you enjoy pretending to be forced into 'intimate relations'?

Asked by rooeytoo (26986points) May 19th, 2011

In a recent question regarding rape, several males said they were forceful on occasion because the partner enjoyed the role play of being raped. It just made me wonder how many people consider that sort of game pleasant or titillating. Have you (female and males) tried it, was it pleasurable and would you do it again?

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janbb's avatar

It’s never floated any boat I was in.

marinelife's avatar

Although I personally do not, it is quite common in women.

Scientific studies have found that “estimates for rape fantasies during intercourse or other sexual activities are comparable, ranging from 36% to 49%.”

Source

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

Yes, but only if it’s definitely, 100%, absolutely consensual. I’ve found one partner that I trusted enough to really do even handcuffs with. But doing even that forced us to step up the levels of communication we had about sex and consent and intimacy.

BhacSsylan's avatar

Hmm, can’t see the source there, @marinelife, it’s behind a pay wall, but I wouldn’t be espeically surprised at the result. Though a key line is this: “From the viewpoint of the fantasizer, an implicit consent has been given”. That’s an important distinction in this case.

As to the actual question, I haven’t done it but my girlfriend and I are moving in that direction, and she regularly is (and quite definitely likes) being tied down. It’s never been posited as ‘rape’, though, and like @MyNewtBoobs experience it involves quite a lot of communication.

For any of these types of interactions, it can be very, very stimulating, power dynamics can be fun to play with. But any good play will involve tons of communication and consent. Anything less and it becomes actual rape and will stop being fun real fast.

Edit: also, jsut to say, for real rape/consent play the communication may stop during the play, but that involves even more pre-play communication and consent, and almost always there is some form of communication during play, though it may not be vocal.

Blackberry's avatar

This is probably going to sound bad, but I don’t think it would be as much fun the other way around, unless it was a very amazonian type woman that really man handled me. I like to be the dominate one most of the time.

BhacSsylan's avatar

@Blackberry Why would it sound bad? Some people like to dominate, some to be submissive.

(though you may want to change that to be much fun the other way around for you. i think you mean that but if you’re trying to not sound bad it helps to be clear.)

Facade's avatar

Absolutely.

marinelife's avatar

@BhacSsylan This was the source: Publication: The Journal of Sex Research
Publish date: February 1, 2008
Author: Critelli, Joseph W.; Bivona, Jenny M.

Your points were very well said and important.

Blackberry's avatar

@BhacSsylan I don’t know if it makes me sound like some macho sexual aggressor lol; I meant it’s more fun to dominate than be dominated.

BhacSsylan's avatar

@marinelife Er, sorry, phrased that badly. I meant I couldn’t see the paper.

@Blackberry Eh, people who don’t have experience with it may think that, but it’s really just not the case. I was just saying that other people can definitely feel the other way (i know a few submissive men). But identifying as dominant isn’t any real mar on your character. As long as what you do is consensual, naturally.

blueiiznh's avatar

It does nothing for me.
Light bondage is about as close as I might get.
Although that is about control or lack of control I don’t think it is the same level.
just sayin

marinelife's avatar

@BhacSsylan Ah, all that is available without pay is the abstract.

marinelife's avatar

@MyNewtBoobs Much better link!

BhacSsylan's avatar

@MyNewtBoobs Okay, a little dense for perusal right now, but looks like a well done article. I’ll have to give it a read in a bit. Thanks for finding that link!

And thanks to @marinelife for the original link, of course.

Ajulutsikael's avatar

I’ve done rape fantasies. The thing is this happens a lot with women who were sexually assaulted in real life. It seems that the common thread is the safety of it. You call the shots and are in control of it so it’s safe rape, if that makes sense.

I love it! I was sexually assaulted many times throughout my life and I think it’s a factor.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

@Ajulutsikael Indeed. It’s kinda a great way to work through what happened to you, but on your terms, with your outcome, etc – which is basically what you do in quite a few different types of therapies (but this one, instead of paying $110 an hour, you get to climax for free…)

laureth's avatar

All through life we’re told that sex is bad, you shouldn’t enjoy it, you shouldn’t pursue it or even think about it. But then, if you get around to having some with the right person, you find that it’s a totally delicious experience. This can be the source of some serious cognitive dissonance – this wonderful new toy is bad and you shouldn’t be askin’ for it, girl.

Enter the (consensual) force theatre. You get to have it, you get to enjoy it, and you’re (get this!) not responsible! You’re still a good girl, you couldn’t help what was happening, and after all, you couldn’t tell him no. Voila! Problem solved.

wundayatta's avatar

I think that you need to have an extraordinary level of trust to play these games—at least if you push it pretty far. But even for people who only play pretty tamely, you have to develop a new level of trust if it is going to work. Because of this, I don’t think it matters who is the dom and who is the sub, and of course, switching roles can show even more the level of trust you have.

It’s also very creative and playful. You have to improvise scripts every step of the way. I’m sure many people use the scripts stolen from porn, but obviously you don’t have to do that. You can go as far as your mind can take you.

There is something very intense about telling someone what you are going to do or that they have to do. Doing it over the phone can make this point very clear. On the phone there are no bodies. All you have are your words—whispered into the ear of your beloved. It is incredibly intimate to be a voice in someone’s ear. It is almost like being in their head. After a while you can get them to do almost anything, because if you suspend belief, it feels like your own thought.

The cool thing about the phone is that you can do anything! It is all completely safe. You can play any scenario you want. You can do horror movie type action. You can do romance. You can do everything in between. Hell, you can switch from one to the other in midstream, and with the right partner, there is no skipping of any beats. Roles can change instantly, as well as the basic plot.

This is a form of play, as I keep saying, that requires, depends on, and creates trust between the people playing the game. Most people don’t want to be ordered around in real life, although there are plenty of people who wish they could dominate in real life.

But the joys of submission have to do with not having to think about anything. All you have to do is what your are told. Oddly, this gives you great power. Because you have sucked the dom into your web. By giving up—or apparently giving up—the dom becomes absolutely dependent on you. Your power is that of giving him or her pleasure. You can see him or her going out of their minds with pleasure and you know you have the power to turn this on or off.

From the other side, it’s a fantasy of power, too. It’s the control freak’s dream (unless the dream is to give up control). Perhaps it is also the person who feels powerless in real life dream, too. It can go both ways. You get to have anything you want. This person is your absolute servant, and what’s more, they want to do anything for you. It is an expression of love and trust that is very powerful.

The play is very symbolic. It does not say what the surface action appears to say. It’s not real violence. It’s not real rape. But it is about real feelings. Very intensified feelings.

I think that perhaps people with a high need for excitement are more likely to play these games than others, but that’s just a theory. Also, it looks like women who have been raped in real life use it as a kind of therapy—a way of reclaiming their power.

It’s kind of hard to explain how you gain power through submission. It probably sounds like gobbledygook. I’ve learned this lesson in many other arenas—in particular it was very important in helping me get past depression. By giving up, the thing I was opposing lost power. It gained power through my resistance. Because I no longer fought it, it lost strength, and that was all I needed in order to get through.

It’s an Alice in Wonderland kind of concept. Up is down. Dom is sub. Sub is dom. Permission is given to do things you would otherwise never do, thus losing out on so much pleasure. It’s too bad I’ve never done it. Doesn’t look like I ever will, either. It’s not something my wife is into. But inside my head….. ;-)

BhacSsylan's avatar

@wundayatta Great answer! I especially want to call attention to this:

“This is a form of play, as I keep saying, that requires, depends on, and creates trust between the people playing the game.”

It doesn’t just take a lot of trust to play this way, but doing it can engender quite a lot of new trust and intimacy, and that’s a pretty great thing on it’s own.

Coloma's avatar

Nope, not into a rouugh treatment, but, go ahead and smack my bum a little. lol

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

Acting out a rape fantasy is not on my agenda.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

I do enjoy it much more as a masturbatory aid than actually doing it with a partner.

deni's avatar

Rape fantasies? For real? That’s obnoxious and ridiculous, in my opinion. I can TOTALLY see wanting hard rough sex where you’re handcuffed, blindfolded, ropes, whatever, but PRETENDING that you’re being RAPED forcefully and against your will? God, why?

Different strokes for different folks, I get it…..but not really.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

@deni Do you want to?

Neizvestnaya's avatar

It’s never had any appeal to me enough to try it and no partner of mine has ever suggested it.

tinyfaery's avatar

Not at all.

drdoombot's avatar

I had a girlfriend who was into this. It weirded me out for quite a while, but it became fun eventually.

On the other hand, I don’t see myself suggesting it to any future partners.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

@deni Understand the appeal.

jonsblond's avatar

I don’t mind being thrown on the bed in a moment of lust or having my hair pulled a little, but anything else would be too much. (having been raped in the past, I don’t want to relive any bad memories)

Ajulutsikael's avatar

@deni It’s usually a coping mechanism. I thought that after my past of abuse I wouldn’t want to relive it as well, but there is a degree of control during that situation that is welcomed. I can’t explain why exactly, but I’ve known of a lot of rape victims including myself that really enjoy this. I believe it might be an adrenaline rush and since when there is a lot of adrenaline released it becomes an activity that turns people on. I believe that is why there are so many female adrenaline junkies.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

@Ajulutsikael In S&M relations, subs are the real doms, which is the allure for many subs – having the ultimate control.

rooeytoo's avatar

Thank you all and ga’s to you. It appears as if about 10 of you say no way and the rest are okay with it. Hearing the differing opinions of why it is enjoyable was very enlightening. I would never have thought of it from that perspective. Learn something new every day!

Thank you all for sharing.

wundayatta's avatar

@MyNewtBoobs In S&M relations, subs are the real doms, which is the allure for many subs – having the ultimate control.

I totally agree. I tried to say something similar above. I’m interested in seeing how you’d try to explain that, to hear it an alternative way.

MyNewtBoobs's avatar

@wundayatta I think you said it pretty well yourself (mine is just short and sweet).

OpryLeigh's avatar

My partner and I have never used rape role play when being intimate. I don’t think either of us have the desire to do so as it has never been mentioned by either of us (and we are both comfortable when it comes to suggesting new things in the bedroom). I would find it difficult because I can’t imagine (and don’t want to imagine) my partner being the type of person that would commit rape. When we are intimate he is loving and fun but not violent or agressive and that’s how I like it.

rooeytoo's avatar

@Leanne1986 – your sentiments echo mine, but it is interesting to see how many women find it acceptable. Live and learn!

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