A question about extracting files is illegal!? On fluther?

The fact that it’s already done doesn’t mean you should incriminate yourself by leaving a record of it on an online forum.

You and/or your friend is still benefitting from illegal activity, which is what we can’t help you with here (at least we aren’t suppose to). Helping you/your friend benefit from the illegal activity is supporting the illegal activity and thus not allowed on Fluther.

This information is available in fora (forums) run by software pirates. Fluther need not consent to disseminate this information.

You would be illegally obtaining and playing a game that you don’t have any right to. It is illegal.

You would also be aiding anyone who reads this to take advantage of bootlegged DVDs, and probably encouraging others. Sorry, the mods are right, as they always are.

not to mention how wonderful they all smell

All I want is to be able to play that game, that’s all. Then buy the game through a legal source and you shouldn’t have any issue playing it.

@incendiary_dan I’ll always expect an explanation from something I don’t think is completely true.

@Seaofclouds In my situation, I think I will take the benefit but I won’t help the hackers.

@Dr_Lawrence I’ve tried to search around. There are some information that is hard to digest for someone who know nothing about computer like me. That’s why I need step by step information with understandable words. If you have a link I’ll appreciate it.

@marinelife Yes it is, but did I help them? No, I didn’t. It was someone else. Just look at the fact, even if my friend didn’t buy their stuff there will be always many hackers in my country. Almost all stuff here (especially DVDs) are not original and many many people buy them so it’s not like if you help me (which you think think as ‘piracy helper’, in this case) it will end the never ending line of piracy.

@filmfann Just for your information, I’m not trying to ‘hack’ any DVDs. All I want is to be able to use a ‘hacked’ DVD. I won’t encourage the hackers since they’ve learned this kind of thing in a special way to be able to do this thing.

@SpatzieLover Like I can do that. I like original stuff but the opportunity isn’t there so all I can do is use what is available.

You probably should have worded it in a way that hid any controversial activities on your part – perhaps instead of the Sims, it’s a game your friend created and you’re helping them test it out.

Having said that, I detest the mods dictating morality and imposing laws of one country (or even most, but hardly everywhere in the world) onto everyone, and I think it’s these examples where there actually are guidelines and policies that can’t be viewed on the website’s “help” page that make so many people think that the moderation is unfair and biased.

If you do not own the original game, any copy you have is an illegal one. Games are protected by international copyrights.

@MyNewtBoobs Thank you for your understanding. I should be more ‘clever’ next time.

Well, whether or not you agree with the guidelines, they’re still there, and as we say to so many that cry “censorship” and “unfair” if the question isn’t appropriate here, then go to a site where it is.

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@JilltheTooth Like you need to tell me that. I’m not trying to get back my question (if it’s really illegal in this site). All I want is a fair explanation. And I don’t see any guidelines that…Just in time @MyNewtBoobs.

OK, not in the guidelines, but in the Important Rules section, then. geez

Nice edit there, Boobs.

@XOIIO Thank You! How come I can’t find such site on my own! There are many things too seach…
I’m not poor and I can afford original stuff but they’re not available in the place (and possibly my country) where I live.

@Your_Majesty: If you want to play the game, buy a legal copy or legally rent the DVD.

I will not direct you to a source of information so that you may commit your desired crime.
No apologies.

@XOIIO A game is not something someone needs. The lack of funds to buy something is not a just excuse for stealing that thing.
Most people who get software free, come to feel justified in obtaining the product of someone else’s labour as their right. They have no incentive in buying what they have already stolen.

@JilltheTooth I still think “things that are illegal” is really vague, and means that jellies in other countries are subject to American laws and ideals. Not to mention that if all these things were really and absolutely illegal, the various crime-fighting agencies and justice departments would have a hell of a lot easier time cracking down on them – it’s specifically because so much is in a legal gray area that it’s so hard to fight.

@MyNewtBoobs : I was just talking about the site itself and their rules. That’s all.

What it comes down to is that the site is owned by someone and what rules they want to lay down is their right. The mods enforce those rules. If you don’t like those rules, there are other places to go.

Also, I’m in the market for a new car but I can’t afford one. Can someone explain hot wiring to me?

@Dr_Lawrence You don’t understand what I was saying? I got the will and money but the stuff aren’t there! I commit crime? Are you serious!? But then again, you were the one that instructed me to go to such site by giving me a clue.

@Your_Majesty By taking the benefit, you are supporting the hackers. Plain and simple. If you don’t want to support the hackers, don’t use their stuff.

@Seaofclouds Hackers aren’t bad by default.

@JilltheTooth Yeah, and I was pointing out that maybe it’s there, but it’s not really worded in a meaningful and helpful way, it’s all in the abstract. It’s a bumper sticker, not an actual policy.

Then, by all means, take it up with the powers that be. She wanted to know why, that’s why.

@Dr_Lawrence True, but some honest people (more than youd think)simply get an illegal copy or torrent a movie until we can buy it to support the people who made it. I do that because the periods of thime that I have money are sketchy

Moderation is slow today. Posts that mention TPB are not allowed.

@FutureMemory true. Hopefully my comment stays because it does have a point and other info in it.

@JilltheTooth I’m questioning the rules since I don’t think my question is against it (and since when we can’t question rules?). Yes, Illegal means are forbidden here but in this case I’m not a hacker and I’m just trying to get what I could get from them (and without giving back any credits to them, if that what you want to know) so I don’t think I’m part of such illegal means.

Some people could be so judgemental these days and only see things from one point.

@FutureMemory I believe TPB is “The Pirate Bay” as I just searched it. So do you think every posts that mention TPB aren’t allowed? What if someone asks “What do you think about TBP, or Is TBP prevalent in your country?” Those will still mention about TBP more or less. I think even the same issue could have different manner.

Well, @Your_Majesty , I’m sorry you can’t get your games, because you obviously feel you are entitled to them, and you don’t feel that the mods are fair for interpreting the rules in a certain way, but only Auggie has the power to really deal with your concerns about the rules of Fluther. I was only trying to help you see why the I thought the Q was taken down, as you asked. geez.

Some people could be so judgemental these days and only see things from one point

You don’t own the information. You asked a question about why the question was modded. You received many answers. It appears you are correct. Someone here is thinking from one view point.

@JilltheTooth Really? Your attempt at a nuanced view of a complex subject is that anyone who disagrees with you is entitled? I know you can do better than that.

@Your_Majesty I really don’t know the particulars. I’m certain that a post containing a live link to the TPB is not allowed, but whether or not simply mentioning the site itself is allowed or not I do not know.

@MyNewtBoobs : Huh? Never mind.

@MyNewtBoobs I never said hackers were good or bad. @Your_Majesty said they wouldn’t help the hackers and I was merely poiting out that using their stuff is supporting what they do. If @Your_Majesty doesn’t want to support/help them, then he/she shouldn’t be benefitting from their illegal activity.

@SpatzieLover Yes that’s what I asked but my question eventually expand according to the situation where many people think one thing is wrong and judge others from one point.

”Someone here is thinking from one view point” I believe you meant “many people” (if you read all the posts). Many said that hacking is wrong (just because you think it’s a rule and you have a right to enforce it) and anyone with ‘indirect’ connection with it is also wrong. You must also think like that.

@Seaofclouds You said that hackers aren’t good or bad but the way you worded your post sounds like you think hackers are bad, and people shouldn’t help illegal activity (hacking, which you think isn’t good, for ‘good people’ here).

How could getting benefit from someone also mean you give them support? In the case of my friend then yes, he pays them and they give him what he wants, so they benefiting/supporting each others. A third party, like me, doesn’t give any advantage to the hackers while I can only take something from them. What I do is the same like “Commensalism Symbiosis”.

@Your_Majesty You are knowingly receiving stolen property. If you don’t see that as wrong, there’s probably no way anyone will convince you otherwise. It is what it is. If your friend wanted to give you a stolen car, would you be so open to receiving it?

Look…would you accept a 50” flat screen TV as a gift if you KNEW it was stolen from it’s rightful owners? Would you really expect law abiding folks to help you.

And damn…As I’m typing I look up and @Seaofclouds already done said it.

Late to the party, @Your_Majesty you may be back later this week asking where to get anti-virus programs for free.

When you live with an outlaw you have to plan on being shot at.

Right on @Tropical_Willie!

Oh wait! This is toooo much! I just realized that in this thread Your Majesty was carrying on about how the five year old who drowned the 18 month old should be held fully accountable for her actions. She said, breaking the law is breaking the law and it’s hypocritical to change it or bend it because of circumstances!!!! ROFL!!

@Dutchess_III <snicker> I think I just peed a little.

Asking for help with illegal activities is against our guidelines, as many have said. Since we’re an American based company, we do tend to go by American law. Links to nefarious sites are also not allowed, and have been removed.

Anyone know where I can find a place to buy stolen nefarious cars cheap?

@Dutchess_III Yah, but it will cost 20 grand for the info. LOL

Damn. So much for that.

Asking this question was a sin. Repent thyself!

@Seaofclouds @Dutchess_III A car, or any other material good, isn’t the same thing as a digital copy. If you steal a car, you are taking it from someone else. If you make a copy of something someone else has, they still have it. Nothing has been taking from anyone.

Seems like many people don’t understand the main idea of this question. I have no intention to try to change any rules here as I can do nothing about it but I rather question it. Seems like some people like @Dutchess_III use this as a chance to scandalize me, but that’s fine one could agree one could disagree that’s just how things work. And @Dutchess_III if you don’t like my answers even though it’s according to the fact that is YOUR own problem (and bringing another different question to this question to collect disagreement votes is so immature) and there’s nothing I could do to help you with your problem.

@Seaofclouds Now you admit it you was saying it was wrong (also correlated with “bad”). I think in a more pragmatic way. Piracy and robbery got different lines. Stolen cars are easily identified and thus making the consequences ‘legal’. Piracy in the other hand are mass-spreading and unable to have any identification thus making the law weak and cause less/no consequences so even though it’s legal community (my community) will treat it as ‘just fine’.

@The_Lord_thy_God Who did you think you are? Saying one thing is sin? I understand that some people could be less rational.

@MyNewtBoobs But it’s still being complicit in a crime. So, if a person steals a car that someone spent their life designing, and recreates the car several times and gives the copies away, that’s OK? I disagree. It only encourages crime.

@Your_Majesty… I took @The_Lord_thy_God‘s comment as a joke! Just because “everybody’s doing it” and it’s impossible to trace doesn’t make it OK. Wrong is wrong. That’s what you said in that other thread, right?

@Dutchess_III Yes I’m pretty sure I know that. I was arguing the reality section of this matter. Yes of course it’s wrong since it’s already written in the law. But how the actual law works in reality is completely different from what it’s written in law. I said ‘just fine’ mean that even though people know it’s against the law they’ll do it since it couldn’t actually control the situation thus making the law itself ‘disposable’ in the society (my society, at least).

I don’t like to mix thread but to tell you the truth the homicide law is strict, consistent, and ‘un-disposable’ rather than law that control virtual piracy.

You know that one could easily insult other people by using joke as disguise. I’ll try to believe that he meant no harm this time.

OK. What about self-law? What about self-morality? Are you saying that if it’s impossible to enforce a law it’s “disposable,” and therefore OK? You’re talking yourself into circles. Just because a law can’t be enforced doesn’t mean it’s OK to break it.

@Dutchess_III I think you misunderstand my objections. I understand the idea that it’s wrong. The problem is, I think it’s wrong the way I think it’s wrong to jaywalk. I think piracy is such an unbelievably mild, harmless wrong that I cannot believe how much attention it gets. I think everyone likes to get up on their high horse and tell others what an egregious crime they’ve committed, what a flagrant violation of basic human morality they’ve committed, only to turn around and do it themselves when it suits their needs. And what really, really, really peeves me is when everyone gets up on their soapbox anytime a teen has unsafe sex, or an employee checks their email at work, or someone asks how to download Panic! At The Disco’s Ballad of Mona Lisa from The Pirate Bay, but when an actual act of serious violence comes up everyone just shrugs and says “Yup, it’s bad” and then goes back to eating their TV dinners. This faux-moralistic bullshit is what really, really bugs me. You want to talk to me about how horrible it is that someone is violating international copyright law? You better already be blue in the face from protesting torture and war crimes, and trying to do something about when countries are so far away from the Geneva Convention that adherence to it isn’t even part of their dialogue. That’s my objection.

@Dutchess_III What make you think you can make other people care about self-law and self-morality when they can freely choose not to? (is there any law about it?). Even though you say it’s not OK the reality speaks differently, You might disagree and think it’s wrong according to your personal belief but this kind of situation has been happening many times and will keep repeating its cycle again, and again. Many people just accept it as part of the reality regardless of its positive/negative values.

@Dutchess_III Piracy does cause a lot of damage when people pirate video games and new movies, but it also does good. I’ve gotten many movies that you just can’t find anywhere anymore, and a documentary that wasn’t released except to pirating sited because the MPAA or whatever that rates movies didn’t want it released.
Basically I’m saying you are right, it can be miniscule and pointless to worry over, but its the people who mindlessly pirate every new video game and movie that do the damage, otherwise it would be totally fine, I think.

@Dutchess_III Anyone know where I can find a place to buy stolen nefarious cars cheap?

…walk with me.

I just think about the hardworking artists, computer programmers and game creators who are not getting paid for their work because someone is pirating it.

I was one of the people that flagged your question.

You posted the fucking serial number in the directions your friend gave you. It was so obviously from a torrent. The directions had things about how to replace folders to get the Krack to work.

This wasn’t about extracting a file. This was straight up stealing software. If you claim otherwise you are stupid or a liar.

And the guidelines can’t spell out everything. I don’t consider pics of a person fucking a chicken porn but I know that isn’t OK to post. Use some common sense.

Oh… And here is the original question.

I’m a bit amused that @Your_Majesty feels that people are attacking her by simply pointing out that supporting illegal activities is in itself, an illegal activity. All this for a game. Last time I looked, there are many many games available to play on the internet. If this one game is so important, @Your_Majesty , may I suggest that you send the appropriate funds to a friend who lives in a place where it is legally available and have them purchase it and send it to you?

@johnpowell “Stupid or liar?” No, not. I’m simply careless. I only said what’s in the DVDs and how to make a use from it. It wasn’t me who make those files and program. I simply, want to use it regardless whether or not it’s legal. It wasn’t my fault if the guidelines can’t spell out everything as everything need an answer.

@JilltheTooth Because I don’t think I’m supporting illegal activities, I simply take an advantage from it without give it any credit. Is that really that hard to understand?

Like I can do that. Not every option you think is easy for you is easy for me. lol I wasn’t insisting them to tell me how could I play this game from the DVDs. I was insulted that they blamed me for helping illegal activities while I simply don’t have any connection with them. They judged my very purpose.

In the end I will get what I want anyway. It’s not like if you don’t help me the mass-spreading virtual piracy will end. I don’t care about it, but what if I ‘love’ to buy their stuff and encourage other people to do that? It’s not like you can do something no matter how much you hate piracy. Saying you won’t help me won’t help (not even a bit) to banish piracy. Actions speak louder than words.

Many stuff in my country aren’t original and many people won’t bother to think about it as long as they get want they want in the most efficient way. Buying and using piracy stuff is a regular activity here, not even the government will do anything about it. I simply take an advantage where I am able to do that.

Well, then, @Your_Majesty , I guess you’ve put me firmly in my place. I’m suitably chastened.~ And if “In the end I will get what I want anyway” then it really doesn’t matter what we say here, does it?

A question about extracting files is illegal!? On fluther? Yes.

“What make you think you can make other people care about self-law and self-morality when they can freely choose not to? ” I wasn’t presuming to MAKE you care. But you yourself were so damn self righteous about right and wrong in that other question about the 5 year old. This just strikes me as totally hypocritical.

“I simply take an advantage from it without give it any credit. Is that really that hard to understand?” Nope. It’s disgusting, like plagiarism (which is also illegal) but it’s not hard to understand. It’s not hard to understand why someone would steal a car either. What IS hard to understand is the mentality of someone like that.

@MyNewtBoobs I understand and appreciate what you’re saying, but I have to ask you something. You said “A car, or any other material good, isn’t the same thing as a digital copy. If you steal a car, you are taking it from someone else. If you make a copy of something someone else has, they still have it. Nothing has been taking from anyone.” With this reasoning no crime was ever committed at all, at any point. Even the original theft wasn’t a crime. So a guy breaks into Beethoven’s house, “borrows” a CD of Beethoven’s brand new original music that hasn’t been released yet, burns it, then puts the original CD back, and the end result is that Beethoven can’t sell his new music because it’s floating around out there for free…well, according to your logic no crime was ever committed, right?

@zen We’s just havin’ fun!

@Dutchess_III I’m flogging you for a personal attack.

@Dutchess_III My opinion in other question is my opinion. What make you think you have a right about it whether you like it or not? I can’t help you with your problem. We have our own perspective so please don’t force your belief to other people who got their own. I simply state my opinion in my last question that is a reflection of reality, if you have any problem that is yours with the law (I suppose I don’t want talk about another thread in other thread, please don’t be so stubborn to force me to do this). People have different values,and what I care about isn’t what you care about and I don’t expect you to understand.

Whether you say it’s disgusting or plagiarism there’s nothing you could do about by simply disagreeing me. Just look at the fact, go outside, see for yourself, rather than keep complaining something you can have no influence about. I’ve told you (geez, I’ll have to keep repeating myself for your you) that in the country where I live this thing isn’t even an issue no matter how much other people from different country think how bad it is, even though there’s a law about it (the useless law). People are just being pragmatic these days without have to care about ‘aesthetic’ values. You have no right to force them.

@JilltheTooth So you suggest me to give up my ‘value’ just because you and other people have contrary value with mine? I’ll still get an advantage from these DVDs, that’s what I meant. Saying that’s wrong (your opinion) and disagreement won’t stop me or many many other people in reality from doing this thing. We’ve have been trading piracy DVDs game and movies while we were kids it’s just that I’ve never encountered this kind of piracy DVD.

I didn’t “suggest” anything. You’re going to justify doing what you want to do. You said so yourself.

Fluther is a LLC in the United States. They are bound by our laws. (however stupid they might be)

Why the fuck should they be OK with you asking something that could get them in trouble? I’m sure there are websites hosted wherever you are. Use one of them.

@Your_Majesty I don’t care whether you’re honest or not. And I’m certainly not going to try and “force” anything on you. But you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. OK. That’s the way you are. So be it.

So ask the question in your country. In this country, whose laws Fluther is bound by, it’s illegal. O. @johnpowell just said that. I’m slow. Off to watch Judge Judy now!

Plagiarism is not environmentally good.
From @Your_Majesty‘s profile page quote

@Your_Majesty likes drama and hopes no one notices the two side talking.

[mod says] Let’s cool off, folks.

^^ yeah, no kidding.

WHAT THE F*CK DOES THAT MEAN, “COOL IT OFF”? I DONT NEED TO CALM DOWN, BACK THE F*CK OFF!

lol jk,

It’s a law of nature that people who can afford to buy control of “intellectual property” can also afford to buy legislators to “legalize” their vile thievery. Decent people are just fucked.

Something I thought of today…I bought a used book at a garage sale….

@ratboy…That is the most intellectual thought I think I’ve ever heard you utter! Welcome to Fluther!