Should one insult on fluther result in the banning of the user?

Personally, I would ban anyone who can’t write short, clear and precise sentences. If I can’t understand it, I can’t answer it.

If you’ve been insulting us it’s lost in the verbiage.

Um, no, I would never ban someone at the first insult unless it was so crazy over the top full of cursing and hateful murderous wording it would be possibly worth calling the police. I really have no idea how you define “insult” so I do not know what you are specifically talking about. Some people on here feal insulted by what I would consider simply challenging remarks.

Insults are typically modded, anyone can flag. If the person continues to repeat this behavior, a mod will have a talk with them, issue a warning so to speak. If they continue they will be gone.

The system seems to work fine.

So basically you are talking about unilateral censorship. Uh, no.

Just going to go out on a limb and give you some advice. If that is how you function in relationships, this sort of zero tolerance, you might have some trouble going forward.

I agree wigth @JLeslie. The only way I would want someone banned on the first insult would be if it was something extremely over the top. Otherwise, issuing a warning and reiterating how things work here is the way to go.

Insults aren’t always cut and dry. What insults me, may not insult others and vice versa. If a member here feels insulted or like they were personally attacked by another member, there are steps they can take to have it taken care of (such as flagging the remark or alerting a mod to the situation).

Some of us insult each other playfully. Would you have that banned? No, stricter guidelines would just run more people off. I think they have a pretty healthy balance as it is. If you feel someone is insulting you, pm @augustlan the site manager and I’m sure she will look into it for you.

@Seaofclouds @JLeslie That’s the thing, though. I mean, not much to fear if I know that my insults will bring me the, proverbial, slap on the hand. What’s to stop anyone?

@broughtlow I guess if you are a sociopath you won’t care. Eventually you will be kicked off. Why do you want to insult people?

@chyna But now, if you open the door, where do you close it? Close it.

Moderator here.

One insult is not enough to get one banned from the site unless it involves a slur of some kind. Example: calling someone a nigger or a faggot will get you banned instantly. However, there have been times when a user has used very subtle, clever insults and jabs that seem non-threatening to the naked eye, but we moderators often see much more going on behind the scenes. I often see chatter from non-mod users that would indicate that we banned someone unfairly for innocuous remarks but, as I said, there is quite a lot that goes on behind the scenes that other users do not see.

It also bears remembering that often people don’t understand the difference between insult and disagreement. We get dozens, maybe even hundreds, of flags every week where people want something to be removed because someone disagrees with them or points out the flaws in their arguments.

We do not ban someone for one insult partially because of this. How do you know what one person finds insulting? If someone finds something insulting, how do we know it was meant as an insult?

We also do not ban from one insult because we are all human here. Sometimes, people slip up. If we banned anyone for one problem, then there would be no user left on the site. Everyone here has violated some part of the guidelines at one point or another, even in the smallest measure.

We also hope that basic human decency keeps someone from insulting everyone all the time.

@JLeslie C’mon now, you know the basics of human nature and reactions. I don’t want to insult people and most don’t have it as a hobby but conversations can get heated and then there must be control when individuals lose their own.

@broughtlow The mods and other people on the thread will help control it, or the people themselves in the heated discussion will cool it down or state they are becoming very uncomfortable or abondon the thread.

@JilltheTooth If you’ve been insulting us it’s lost in the verbiage. Aha, but intelligent people who craft their words to make the insults “subtle’ are obvious, and thus the cleverly crafted insult recognized by another is not truly clever and carries the full force of blatancy.

@broughtlow What brought you to this site anyway? Do you like it here? Do you feel you have something to contribute and do you feel we have something to contribute to you? You really don’t seem to like it here and I was just wondering what you were looking for in a Q&A site.

@broughtlow I don’t get your point to @JilltheTooth. If the person does not even realize they are insulted, then why should she give a shit what you said? Still others, maybe a mod, might catch it and do something about it, but really why is it something to dwell on. I could stop following this thread three seconds from now, you could hurl a huge insult at me, and I would not even know it.

@broughtlow: Yo had me at “the full force of blatancy.” I couldn’t tell you what that means if you were sticking pins into my nail bed.

And were you formerly @pathfinder?

Anyone who intelligent and crafty, as you put it, and purposely mean spirited will be addressed eventually.

@chyna It’s a way of bringing together a great amount of views in which I always gain insight.
It benefits me. but the aspect of people(myself included) who place have a higher value on the subjects and don’t give nearly as much importance to the effects on others is troubling.

@gailcalled An analogy. I’ll kill you, would be a terrorist threat and is illegal. If I reword it, If you cross me there is no limit to what I’ll do then I’ve cleverly done the same. You get me? The full force of what I’m really saying? JUST AN EXAMPLE:)

@broughtlow You have not been on fluther long enough to accuse the collective of not caring about the other people on the site and how our words might affect them.

OK, I’m honestly trying here. I’m intelligent, well-read, have a great grasp of language and I’m well educated, and I’m afraid, @broughtlow, that your continued obfuscation escapes me. I really don’t understand what you’re saying. I know what the individual words mean, beyond that I just don’t get it.

@JLeslie It’s not that it’s a thing to dwell on but that I….......for lack of a better phrase, seem to be way, way, outside the box! LOL

@broughtlow Uh, no. Actually both are bad threats and both would be dealt with. If anyone on fluther felt like you might actually seek someone out in the real world outside of the website it would be addressed. Again, you just raised it to the police level. Ding ding ding.

Insults and threats are completely different.

I don’t understand your question. Is English not your first language?

@JLeslie No no no! I was trying to illustrate that it’s so easy to beat the system but only because the system is weak.

It shouldn’t as long as you don’t make a habit out of it to the point where you become a troll.
@gailcalled Ban anyone who doesn’t write short precise sentences? What are you a proper grammar dictator? That kind of strict authoritarian behavior would just make people leave fluther.

@JLeslie Actually, if someone threatened to take a thread into the real world and punish someone in the real world, it might be left up. It has at least once.

@MyNewtBoobs Excellent example for I am, obviously, speaking English.

System? What system are you beating? Did I miss something?

@broughtlow But not well…

@MyNewtBoobs Did a mod know about it?

@JLeslie I flagged it, so I assume so.

@Mikewlf337….the point where I become a troll? Exhibit A? I mean, no worries there. Right? You didn’t actually say I was a troll and I’m sure that you were, in no way, shape, or form suggesting such a thing.

@Mikewlf337: Note that I used the adverb “personally,” the conditional and the first-person singular. He asked for opinions. And I was being self-referential, due to the really odd and whacky usage. I have no idea what this guy is talking about.

@broughtlow; “Analogy” is not synonymous with “example.” You are free to change and invent definitions of whatever words you choose, but that doesn’t make them part of the common parlance, or even fringe-speak.

This ain’t my site…I am only a guest and will honor my host’s rules of engagement. My opinion does not matter in this debate.

@MyNewtBoobs Interesting. I wonder if it was an oversight of some sort, or they just didn’t think it needed to be modded possibly, might have been an error in judgment? But, you flagged it, so the system was half working. I am sure if that person is awful all of the time it would catch up to them.

@MyNewtBoobs I may not like you words but they are English and I understand them almost as well as you.

Please don’t presume to know how well I do or don’t understand the English language. You don’t know me.

No, they shouldn’t and they aren’t. Anyone who has an issue with the mods should take it directly to the source, and not bother the collective with this old, already hashed out over and over question.

P. s. I was going to PM you to say I don’t like the tone of your questions or answers, and I haven’t since you came on, but I see that @broughtlow is no longer a member here.

There is a big difference between intent and impact. Some folks say things and I have no idea what their intentions are. I am only aware of the impact on me and my fellow Flutherites who offer comment indicating the extent to which they have been impacted. Direct or disguised, if one’s intention is to cause harm, to incite, to flame, etc. there is always the risk that the impact will be born by the one with harmful intentions.

Fact from fiction, truth from diction. If I were in charge and I am sure many are glad I am not, I would not ban anyone for an insult because some people are ignorant of the fact they made an insult or just don’t have control over their oratory to make a point with out trying to score points with quips and barbs. If people were required to exercising respect to the questioner or answerer, insults would not happen, at least not knowingly. Part of the insult comes from how the person wants to receive the facts or information they hear. I could say ”that woman had an abortion because she did not want to be inconvenienced” and dozens of other women will here all women in that, because they take the issue to a personal place. People here on Fluther from my experience do not keep personal emotion from the answer, they will see it different, but tacking the question in the spirit that it is asked IMO is a bit of an art. The 1st responses you got on this thread was addressing your delivery of the question and not the spirit of the question. Should one had said something Boorish, and that happens often—, should they be bounced, never to return? I would hope that here never goes or degrades like YA, who play that silly game while not even giving you a chance to explain yourself. Banning, I wouldn’t. Trying to keep people on point, yes, definitely.

He just came back.

I am was really familiar with the asker. Did he insult people frequently on here? Seems like he left fluther.

Bitch, please.

Lighten up.

Gone again. Probably back again soon. Comments were made to that effect. <sigh>

@JilltheTooth How does one do that? I thought once you deleted your account, you kinda had to go beg the mods to bring you back – a process that takes more than 20 minutes. And a process I would think most who’ve just gone on a whole “Yall can suck my dick” thing wouldn’t be in the mood to do – not that that’s exactly what @broughtlow did, but still.

Different name, see this.

@JilltheTooth Ooo. Now I see what you’re talking about. Thanks.

Ummm that was a waste of time on his part. The question is why did he go through all that trouble to tell the mods off? I don’t think it phased them one bit lol. He is really taking this whole thing to extremes.

I’m glad we have mods like @KatawaGrey round these here parts.

If it was my site, I wouldn’t ban someone for insulting another, at least not unless they made it a habit. As mentioned, people fuck up, and they deserve chances. I’m imagining right now, some great members we currently have who would no longer be here if the site adhered to your ideology.
You did bring up a good point; It always feels a bit unfair around here that someone may subtly insult and hurt another user and not much gets done, but in the end I am glad that doesn’t get an automatic ban. Because otherwise it would ruin the amount of freedom we have here, which is rare on this type of site. Unless it’s barely moderated, like Yahoo Answers or some other garbage of the like. It just sucks that for all intent and purposes, if we want to bring up a mass amount of different material and subjects to converse upon, some other stuff nearly needs be allowed in, as well.
I guess there’s a price to pay for everything, but in the defense of Fluther, if anything, or if anyone goes way over the line too much, they are dealt with. I’ve seen it done. I think it’s fine as it is. I don’t want to be in some online community that acts like Fidel Castro, either.
Sure there are people we lost that I personally would love to still see around, but as far as I know they were warned and warned. At least a chance was given, which I don’t see in your idea.
Yes, we should know better than to insult people and flame them, but unfortunately we don’t always seem to work that way. But we’re mostly all reasonable people, so I think we deserve the smoothed out edges every now and then, yeah?

We’re lurvin’ you on that one, @Symbeline ! I’ve noticed also that very often the new one’s that cry “insult” actually started the snarking first, after someone disagreed with them, as was the case here. Just because Fluther has guidelines, doesn’t mean that everyone is going to be agreeable except, of course, for me as I am always just so lovely! XP

Just so I’m clear: Did this guy basically insult people, but no one actually noticed because his grasp of English was so poor and his ability to communicate at all so lacking, so he actually created a thread just pointing out how he insults people, thus actually getting himself banned?

@MyNewtBoobs : I’m thinking so. He sent me a PM and I honestly couldn’t tell if it was snide, sarcastic, apologetic or just wacko. I’m so confuzzled.

That sucks…I saw some of his activities, that user seems to have a head on his shoulders. Perhaps a little too susceptible? :/

And yes @JilltheTooth you are the epitome of lovely, indeed. :) Don’t make me steal your panties. :D

<blushes>

I’m thinking the OP is simply young, on the double digit side of certain tests, in a lot of pain right now and in need of attention who stumbled upon fluther. I won’t waste any more time.

Fan of Yoda, seems as though he was.

I laughed out loud.

@zen Come on that’s mean. Double digits? Seriously?

I’m just wondering if I’ll be banned for an insult that isn’t “direct” – it’s up to him to decide what is implied.

@zen Aaah…you mad scientist, you. :p

@zen I have decided to take that as a personal insult. – Oh Wait, you said double digit, not triple 9, – never mind

I can’t count very well – which one is worse?

…just don’t invert the triple 9! You’ll doom us all!

Yeah just being purty dang random at the now…XD

I have a mad crush on @Symbeline. There, I said it.

I’d jump the both of yous. There I said it.

My ancestors were the Gauls and so, I like throwing axes and I’m a gangster…wait what the fuck.

The both o’ yous are alright in my porn mag. There I said it.

@zen Me too.

@Symbeline 666 – there I said it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

well there’s three wasted minutes of my life that I’ll never be able to get back again.

There have certainly been enough interesting (and coherent) questions in the past which have been completely removed for who knows what ridiculous reason and yet this piece of incomprehensible circular illogic will evidently remain ?

Yeah. There are definitely some things about Fluther which I’ll never understand.

Good grief.

@Symbeline, @Zen, @FutureMemory. I think that the four of us should just get it on.

I hate this thread.