Do feminist think some women hurt the cause?

I should think so though I’m not a female .

I think the answer is obvious.

Of course some feminists think that. Not all feminists are from the same cloth though.

Without a doubt. I feel most sorry for women in the military. It always seems as if there are strip shows and prostitutes surrounding bases. How can a woman expect to be treated as an equal and taken seriously when across the street another is taking off their clothes and wiggling salaciously for a living.

I wish all women had enough self esteem and self respect that they could figure out a way to make a living that did not turn them into a couple of anatomical pieces or receptacles for males. I also feel sorry for the males who have no more respect for women than to use them as such.

Women can do anything they want to. That includes stripping and the like. I think the most important piece of feminism is not being told what I should or shouldn’t be or doing…from anyone.

It’s a big world, with lots of room for individual freedom and individual choice, and it’s time to live and let live.

No more than many men do.

First of all, can I just say that I love that damn song and sing it all the time, as a joke (seriously, I know all that’s wrong with it but it’s so damn catchy and ridiculous). Now, to my serious answer as a feminist: if you’re going to go after video girls of Hip Hop, you really have bigger fish to fry within that world that contribute to why that kind of thing would be okay to get hired for. Yes, there are women who are ‘bad for the cause’ just like there are men or trans people bad for the cause. Why, are women somehow supposed to be more feminist then men? No, because feminism concerns everyone.

@tranquilsea I love your answer!

I have known of someone so-called feminists who I think hurt the cause more than the women they feel play into female objectification.

So, in summary, yes and no.

I’m a feminist and I can only speak for myself… and so forth.
Generally generalizing is generally is far too general and therefor generally bunk & not accurate at tall.

Ok back to my personal answer. Do I think women who participate in the objectification of themselves, who willingly become sex objects, hurt “the struggle”? Not really no. It’s the male or patriarchal “expectation” as you call it that is the issue. Do social media experiences/portrayals of women shape the mind of young girls and boys? Yes. Are the individual women the problem though? No. Affixing blame towards women for the patriarchy would be stupid. I’ll elaborate if that last sentence is grossly misunderstood by anyone.

What they call hurting is in fact just trying to bring back some common sense, moral direction, and goodness into society.

@MRSHINYSHOES…in your opinion..also, the OP meant women who seemingly contribute to objectification like strippers or video girls..I’m sure you think those are scum as much as you hate feminists.

I think some women harm the feminist objective, but not so much in the manner described in the original post. I have more of a problem with female singers writing lyrics that are all about how they’re nothing without their man, and the like.

@tranquilsea Women can do anything they want to. That includes stripping and the like. I think the most important piece of feminism is not being told what I should or shouldn’t be or doing…from anyone. Provocative and interesting. If I am to follow that it could mean that those women who have the assets have full freedom to use them, thus being empowered, so in a way exercising a facet of feminism hardly seen? Let me think about that….could be fascinating. In all seriousness

@Simone_De_Beauvoir if you’re going to go after video girls of Hip Hop, you really have bigger fish to fry within that world that contribute to why that kind of thing would be okay to get hired for. Sorry, it was intended to be larger than just hip hop or video girls. However, using a larger net would have caught some obscene fish that would have caused the net to be cut off the frame. Then no conversation at all happens on the subject. They hip hop girls were just the easy and safe fish.

@Mariah I have more of a problem with female singers writing lyrics that are all about how they’re nothing without their man, and the like. Thank you for bringing that up. I had not really thought of that angle of it seeing it is most of the time cleaved to processes or visuals, but lyrics, or their message, can get promoted undetected in a catchy tune as @Simone_De_Beauvoir admits to. I have friends that listen to a lot of that jungle jump music and most of the videos that go with them is about having money, criminality, and having a harem of curvaceous women around for when your 3rd leg gets bored. Most of those I have seen the women are bitches and hos, etc. And there are songs in other genres, “What’s Your Name?” by Lynyrd Skynyrd comes to mind. It is basically about a rocker picking up some young attractive groupie, I guess, taking her back to the hotel after the show for fun and entertainment, and I don’t mean poker, then leaving the next day without even a ride home; she gets put on a cab. Then he is off to another city to do it all again. He wants to see her next year when the tour comes through but don’t even care to know her name, she is basically just a body; hence the title “What’s Your Name?” The title can be deceptive and go under the radar if you get wrapped up in the catchy tune, and you will miss the real gist of the song.

No, any person who is influenced by that sort of thing is a lost cause anyway.

@Simone_De_Beauvoir Not at all. I think those girls are great!