What do you think of Anonymous? [See Details].
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July 14th, 2011
Watch this clip on YouTube. What do you think of the hacker movement beginning to take action themselves against abuse of power by governments around the world, and corporate organizations that seek control over the lives of whole populations? Is exposing their secrets for all to see a good thing or a bad idea?
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They’re alright, I guess. I used to hold them in higher regard, but ever since that kerfuffle with Sony, they just annoy me. However, some of the things they’ve done are kind of funny, so I guess it evens out..?
I find them a bit cultish at times, I also think a lot of their members are not too smart, but overal I support the idea of non violent resistence.
I have long thought the internet will drastically change the world some day, maybe this is the start of it.
I’m all for them. At least SOMEONE is stunding up to be counted!
I am all for cyber activism and using the power of the internet to bring notice to a noble cause, but some of their actions are borderline criminal and some of the commando tactics I feel are misguided and harmful to businesses that have a right to do what they do and I feel they also have a right to their data to be secure that this group is infiltrating and using against these companies and obviously without their knowledge or permission. Companies “secrets” good or bad are in many cases all they have that is why they are in business and exposing them is extremely malicious and damaging at the very least, and again if not criminal.
The group is extremely disjointed and uncentralized. Anyone can be a member simply by saying they are and acting out. The group started as a movement against the Church of Scientology a few years ago (which was an incredibly noble cause as that “church” is incredibly corrupt and evil). The founding members were hackers, but the group enlisted people from all walks of life to protest and speak out. As time went on the original hackers basically spread themselves to other ideas (even though many other “members” or people didn’t agree with or go along with those plans).
To think of Anonymous as a “group” is a flawed assumption. You can’t think of them the way you might think of… Egyptians, or Democrats, or some other group. The name is pretty much just a title adopted by those who wish to remain, anonymous.
@tedd Pretty much hit the nail on the head. Anon has no legitimate backbone, and as a result can seem pretty unorganized. I gotta say, though, I was a big supporter of their efforts against the Church of Scientology.
I’m more for them than against them.
I think this is a more worthy cause than when they attacked Sony. I wasn’t real happy with them when playstation network went down. Information on the Bohemian Grove would be very interesting. I believe they have influenced who became presidents in the past.
I’m glad that to see that people are finally starting to wake up.
Great post @ETpro, thanks!
Rock on, Anonymous. Rock on.
The hour is late, so I won’t thank each of you individually. But points to all for your input. Thanks. The opposition to Scientology alone would sell me.
Anyone catch the thing about Anonymous hacking Monsatan Monsanto recently?
@incendiary_dan I did. Now that is a worthy cause there. It would be nice to see Monsanto dragged into the light.
We talking about “frankenfood” here?
Yep! Genetically engineered plants.. : ) Just the way Nature inten- oh wait, nevermind : /
@CaptainHarley That’s just the tip of the massive iceberg of evil that is Monsanto. There’s also the general destruction of subsistence farming worldwide, production of Agent Orange, the shifty military contracts and subsequent debt-slavery of farmers in worn-ravaged areas… They’re basically the most evil motherfuckers around.
@incendiary_dan Apparently you and I have read many of the same accounts of Monsanto’s deeds and tactics. Backed by the gov. basically.
LMFAO @incendiary_dan !!
Me either, although I can’t say I view them as statan himself!
BTW… “Anonymous” has been involved in an uprising in Spain. YouTube has a video, which I can’t access just now for some reason.
Here you are: http://youtu.be/ixAaBV7W5xc
@Joker94, About that “kerfuffle” with sony… they didn’t do it. . at 1 min 22 secs Good video as well…
@rOs Thanks for the clarification on Sony. That’s how the oligarchs work. Demonize all opposition. Link every interesting voice to the most criminal, oppressive ones known. Corporatism functions on big lie after big lie. Thanks for the link to the clip.
@rOs They said it wasn’t them as a group, but it could have been members acting of their own accord. Last I read anyway.
Everyone should pay attention to this. It’s a new type of revolution in the process of being implemented. This could be another turning point in the millenial conflct between statism and individual liberty. It could be the final answer to the question: “How many people should be involved in the decisions of governance, and what should be the mechanism of their involvement?”
It’s essentially an amorphous, leaderless group so, with me it depends on which campaign we’re talking about. Some of their campaigns I consider quite juvenile and vindictive, others are important and very useful. I’ve assisted them on-line and IRL since 2008 in their campaign against the “Church” of Scientology which has basically occupied my hometown and held it hostage by buying up a huge amount of downtown properties and hiding under their tax deferments since 1976, and have refused to answer to our police and state attorney for 17 suspicious deaths that have occurred on their properties or in the custody of their minions during the past 35 years—including one in which it was obvious that the victim was boiled alive and another where the body showed the markings of being tied down for a long period, complete with roach bites and bed sores. My hometown, by the way, is their global spiritual headquarters. We have been successful in exposing Scientology for the dangerous scam it is and since 2008, their membership has sunk precipitously and new membership is through the floor. You don’t see a lot of their leadership on the news much these days, do you? They have basically gone underground since their last media defensive in 2009, hoping we’ll go away.
I think their work in gathering real evidence against and locating and exposing practising pedophiles that have dropped off police radar is good, but other work in the area of crime borders dangerously on vigilantism, especially when they determine the punishment. Anytime they can expose a news organization’s lack of research and/or bias I applaud generously. As for hacking into politician’s email and other private coms, I have to be against that. They should not be taking part in the continuous, incremental deterioration of our rights to privacy. As much as I find Sarah Palin disgusting, I believe she has as much right to privacy as I do and, besides, I don’t need to read her email to know what she’s thinking: Not Much. She’s been pretty out front about that. So, the amorphous elements that make up this entity we appropriately call Anonymous not only are it’s best protection, but also allow it to act irresponsibly. They have been known to go after their enemies quite viciously for a mere insult, like a kind of Internet mafia. At the same time, they have gone after others who enter into campaigns under the name of Anonymous that embarrass the group. I don’t concern myself with their internecine antics. But, I have mixed feelings about “them” in general— and the same disturbing qualities that enable them to survive both disturb me and cause me to envy and marvel at their ingenuity. Because we never know who “they” are from day to day, campaign to campaign, one cannot really effectively criticize them. “They” are an example of perfect Bukaninist Anarchy in action. But the enemy of my enemy is my friend—for now.
@Espiritus_Corvus @Espiritus_Corvus I believe the voting concept is a sound one. If there isn’t a quorum then nobody gets targeted/ Look for lots of false-flag attacks and a steady stream that the froup is a terrorist organization.
Two more links worth checking out. I dare you not to be inspired by Chaplin
I love that Chaplin video! : ))
@Joker94 “Anon has no legitimate backbone”
That’s why no one will ever be capable of lopping off the head. It doesn’t have one.
That message was ballsy, and that’s why Anonymous is full of win.
I was finally able to see the clips posted here as I now have a sound driver again. My, My have they matured since 2007 – 2008. From their Bakuninist beginings to what we have now in Europe and the Middle East. The audience and participants are a much wider demographic and the causes of greater global import.
Ahh, the cacophonous voice of democratic importunity! Love it.
Another way to participate: Wikileaks needs an army to help colate, etc., the millions of documents in their possession. There is a maze one must go through to get there, but if you believe that what they do is right, it is well worth it.
Thanks for the update.
I am so grateful to Wikileaks for posting the Collateral Murder Video. Won’t see this on Fox news. Won’t even hear about it. There must be hundreds of unreported incidents such as this.
Now I’m not a military guy, and I don’t understand all the rules of engagement. But from what I see in this video, it just seems so terribly wrong. They mistake a camera for weapon and encourage the wounded to reach for weapons (that aren’t there) just so they can kill them. They kill those who would aid the remaining wounded, and refuse the best medical care for the children they wounded who were in the van of those trying to help them.
I just don’t get it at all. But I will be rifling through that site to see how I can help.
Bradley Manning, the soldier who leaked the video has been imprisoned. Ways to help him.
The soldier seen carrying the child away from the van wrote a letter on Manning’s site.
“I vividly remember the moment in 2007, when our Battalion Commander walked into the room and announced our new rules of engagement:”
“Listen up, new battalion SOP (standing operating procedure) from now on: Anytime your convoy gets hit by an IED, I want 360 degree rotational fire. You kill every [expletive] in the street!”
“We weren’t trained extensively to recognize an unlawful order, or how to report one. But many of us could not believe what we had just been told to do. Those of us who knew it was morally wrong struggled to figure out a way to avoid shooting innocent civilians, while also dodging repercussions from the non-commissioned officers who enforced the policy. In such situations, we determined to fire our weapons, but into rooftops or abandoned vehicles, giving the impression that we were following procedure.”
@rOs Great link. Thanks.
@Espiritus_Corvus Great suggestion. Thanks.
@RealEyesRealizeRealLiesThanks for the Manning Aid link. My son’s an Army officer. He just got back to Massachusetts from Afghanistan. I know from him that most soldiers are highly porfessioal and do an extremely tough job in a very professional manner. But just as we have in our general society, there are those who are racists and who just want to tally up as many dead “Towel Heads” as they can. The letter you quote underlines that.
Yes I hope my comments were’t interpreted to debase military personnel. I’m very impressed with the soldiers I referred to, as well as many military friends of mine. I’m happy for your son returning from Afghanistan @ETpro. You must all be thrilled!
That sort of order ( the one that soldier said his Battalion Commander gave ) is nothing short of insane! We had some commanders like that in Vietnam too. The stories I could tell you! And then people wonder why the populations of other countries hate us.
@ETpro Tell your son I said “Welcome home!’ : )
@CaptainHarley Thanks. I will do that. Saw him this evening for the first time. Damn, was that a sight for sore eyes.
@ETpro
I can only try to imagine. : ))
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