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Was I wrong for wanting to help, but wanting to stay neutral, too?

Asked by kalrbing (287points) July 17th, 2011

I am stuck in the middle of a bad situation and I have not put much input in, but I am turning into the bad guy.
Recently, July 3rd, my parents were cooking and taking a big part in our church homecoming. This church is our family church. It is VERY small and most of the member are related. Maybe, 35 people show up every Sunday. My parents are the youth directors, so they had the youth come in and help set up the morning of the event. One of the youth members is a 14 year old foster child to my pastor. He is very troubled. He just recently got off of probation and gets in trouble frequently at school. My pastor along with many members of the church are trying to help help him improve his behavior, as often as possible. This particular morning my parents had him and several other male youth helping to carry in food items and set up tables. They all spent the weekend at our house to prepare to get up together that Sunday morning. All of the boys knew that they were there to help. Once we got to the church, the pastors foster child decided that he was not going to help. My mother and another female member of the church asked him to carry some sodas over to a certain section of the kitchen. He responded, “I’m done, I’m not doing anything this morning”. Of course, this was disrespectful and the women asked him several times more, “come and help us with these items. He refused a few more times with less than angelic terms, and they said that they were going to get my father in the kitchen to straighten him out.
To make it clear, my father has a type A personality. He is a police officer who does not have to hide behind his badge because he has the nerve to be as tough without it. He is retired military. Did I mention that he was born and raised in Spanish Harlem? I have learned to deal with his personality, but some kids don’t understand just how much he means business. Don’t get me wrong I LOVE my father, but he is a TRUE individual.
So, once my father entered the kitchen, he confronted the boy. Once again, he is no gentle man, so he said, “young man!” The boy responded, “yes sir”, suprisingly. My asked him what his problem was and the boy stammered for a moment. Before he could get it all the way out, my dad yelled “get out of my face!” The boy replied, “you’re going not to talk to me like that!” To sum it up, they began arguing, my dad pointed in the boys face and the boy began to curse and tell him to get his finger out of his face. my dad replied, “what are going to do” several times. The boy ended up pushing my dad and my dad slapped the boy. of course through all of this people were trying to get in between them and make them stop, but their 2 extreme personalities did not mix.
This was so unfortunate. It happened IN MY CHURCH. Both my dad and the boy were in their own rage for a bit. This was a days where I felt that the devil was trying to take over our church.
So, my mom sent them in seperate directions to cool off, once the situation ended. I, a 22 year old who is pretty close to the kids in the church, went up to talk to the boy and tell him where the situation really went wrong. I told him, “those women were simply asking you to do what you came up here to do, HELP”. I told him, “you were WAY out of line for being so disrespectful to them, when they were being PRETTY gentle with you”. While I knew he had common sense, I wanted him to understand that even someone who is usually on his side saw the error in his ways.
Now, understand, I do not condone what he did. Nor do I feel that my dad should have let a child provoke him so easily. I decided that I wasn’t going to try to solve the situation. But, was I wrong for telling the boy what he did was wrong?
My parents felt that I interfered with the situation and shouldn’t have said anything to him. This led my father to stop talking to me. It has been 2 weeks, now.
What makes this situation even worse is that my parents tried to call a meeting with my pastor and my pastor felt that it wasn’t the right thing to do. So, they took it as a refusal. They feel that our pastor isn’t dealing with the situation the way he should, so they haven’t been back to our church since the incident.
This is what put me in the middle. I am still a member at our church, so why should I stop going? I don’t want to take sides, and I wasn’t a direct part situation. I decided to go back to our church this morning. My mom mentioned to me, don’t talk to people about us. Of course this was never my intention, but she expected this to be my purpose of going. Funny thing is, today when I went to church, the boy came in front of the entire church to apologize for the way he has been acting and being so disrespectful. The congregation grew teary eyed and accepted his apology. He seemed very sincere.
Once I got back home, today. My mother wasn’t talking to me and a lady from church had already called to tell her what happened. I feel so lost. The sad thing is I move out of my parents house this coming weekend , July 22nd. I am taking my first full time teaching position, in another town.
I feel like I have to follow my heart about this situation. It hurts so bad, though, to have my famil so upset with me. Was I so wrong for telling the boy that he was wrong for coming off so disrespectful? I thought that he may have needeed to hear it from someone closer to his level.
I AM SO LOST!

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15 Answers

filmfann's avatar

Damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.
I feel for you. You did probably what I would have done. There was no right move here.
It’s the Kobiashi Maru. No win scenerio.

chyna's avatar

I think you need to get your pastor involved in this situation. No one wins when a family is torn apart and leave their church over something that just spirled out of control. This boy should never come between you and your parents and your church. The fact that he appologized seems like he wants to make amends. Your parents now have to swallow their pride and accept the boys appology. You were not in the wrong at all.

lillycoyote's avatar

I think you’re father is over reacting to not speak to you for two weeks just because you talked to the boy about the situation. He is not the boys foster parent, the pastor is. He took care of what happened in his house and that’s that. It’s not something that he should be dragging out this long. At 22 you are an adult and had the right to speak your mind. This should have been over two weeks ago, I think. The boy apologized, the entire congregations has moved on. It’s time your parents did also.

kalrbing's avatar

@chyna, I wanted to get my pastor involded, but my parents are upset with him for not wanting to meet with them. It is a HUGE mess!

roundsquare's avatar

I don’t think you did anything morally wrong. At the least, its clear your heart was in the right place.

I do think you did something unwise by talking to the kid right away. When people get pissed off like that, an immediate discussion is almost never the right move. It would have been best to get the other boys to pick up the slack a bit and let the situation cool down before getting involved.

However, your parents are overreacting and I’m not sure there is a way to solve this. Chances are the fact that the kid apologized on the day you went back to church and the phone call have made them wonder if said anything or somehow brought up the incident.

That being said, I’d say go to your mom and remind her that you’re leaving in a week and that you want to leave on good terms. Hopefully she can calm down your father and you can have a happy week together. Once you leave, I bet the situation will calm down on its own. If not, there is something else going on because this incident should not be enough to break apart strong bonds.

kalrbing's avatar

@roundsquare , I can take that. It probably was to soon to talk to him. I was just so worried about what would come next. The boy was never upset with me for telling him that, but my parents took my talking to him as me trying to do their job. they said they wanted to handle it themselves.
They were directing the boys on what to do and as soon as the situation ended, the other boys jumped back in and picked up where he lacked. They handled it very well, and I think by the looks on their faces they couldn’t believe he talked that way to adults.
I am a sweet and sensitive person, so even when I feel someone has done wrong, I try not to ever hold a grudge. Especially with this 14 year old. I will be teaching middle school. I want kids to feel comfortable with me, but understand that I will try my best to always lead them in the right direction.
I TRULY appreciate you being honest with me. My mom keeps telling me that I was just wrong and I don’t understand where she is coming from. I just feel like she underestimates my understanding of things. She still thinks I’m a teenager. I learn something new everyday, but I think I know more than she thinks I do.

kalrbing's avatar

@lillycoyote , this is not the first time that he has given me the silent treatment. My mom say he stops talking to people instead of saying something he shouldn’t. He has done it for a month and a half before. Its nothing new, but I wish it had’ve been for something more serious. IT seems like instead of diffusing, it is getting worse as time goes on.

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lillycoyote's avatar

@kalrbing Do you live with your parents? That could complicate things, but if you don’t it may be time to let your father, both your parent know that you are an adult. You are 22 and you will not always agree with them and they will not always agree with you. It think you should continue to go to church there if that’s what you want and explain to your father that you understand that he is angry and you didn’t intend to interfere, just to help the young man just as your father wants to help him. The two of you just have different ways of approaching the problem. Tell him that you understand but that enough is enough. Everyone is over it but him and you miss him, miss talking to him and when he’s ready you will welcome him back with open arms but you are not a child any more. You are 22 years old and make your own choice, sometimes seeking his counsel, sometimes acting on your own. Or whatever you want to say to him. I think, personally, it’s time your parents understood that you have grown up and are, a young adult yes, but an adult nonetheless.

kalrbing's avatar

@lillycoyote yes, I do live with my parents, but I move out this coming Friday. I hate to leave home on bad terms, but it seems like it is far from over.

lillycoyote's avatar

@kalrbing Well, that may be why this thing has kind of blown up the way it has, because your parents know you are moving out, growing up, and they, particularly your dad may be having some trouble letting go and dealing with that, with you growing up, sometimes parents have trouble adjusting to their kids growing up. Just speculating here, but that could be part of this. I don’t know if you can fix it before you move out. Maybe after you move out and your parents, your father, realizes that that moving out doesn’t mean you’ve moved on forever, things may warm up a bit. I hope so.

kalrbing's avatar

@lillycoyote Thanks for the reassurance. I really miss the warmth between us.

Sunny2's avatar

I think the kids you teach will be lucky to have you as a teacher. I don’t think you did anything wrong. I agree with @lillycoyote. Your parents aren’t coping very well with your leaving. They probably don’t even realize it, but some people have to find something negative in order to let go of a person. I think it’s a good idea to talk to your mom about not leaving with bad feelings between you. If your dad doesn’t cooperate, I’m sure he’ll come around eventually. He’s basically a sensible person. You keep in touch with your mom no matter what. It’ll work out.
And welcome to Fluther.

FutureMemory's avatar

@kalrbing Your father is being immature. You did nothing wrong what so ever.

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