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To all those who play on Michael_Huntington's Minecraft server, would you agree to resetting the world on the release of the adventure update and have a big inauguration party?

Asked by Thammuz (9287points) September 6th, 2011

As you probably know the adventure update is coming soon, probably this week, even.

As you also know the update is going to bring many changes to the terrain generator (Like swamps, rivers, canyons, and maybe even ruins and abandoned mining shafts) of which we wouldn’t take full advantage with the world we are currently using. Also, i don’t know about you people but having a safe and well worked out infrastructure would kinda take out the survival aspects of the new update, which is also going to bring expereience points, a hunger meter and more in depth and complex farming.

So here’s the idea: we decide a time that is accessible to all or at least most of us, we wait for Westronaut to delete the old world and generate the new one and then we set out, en masse, to create the first city, as a community.

To the nostalgic ones, i think we could ask Wes to zip and send to megaupload the oldworld for us to preserve, though he’ll have the last word on that.

So:

1. Starting from scratch, yes or no?
2. Colonizing as a group, yes or no?
2b. If yes, what time would you be able to set aside something like an hour and what time zone are you from (so we can map the times properly)?

And to Wes alone: would you be able to zip and send the world to something like megaupload?

I suggest we do this on a weekend, possibly a sunday, which would make it easier for all of us to be on at the same time.

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Paul's avatar

1. Yes, I never got involved in this one because I felt intimidated by being late to all the projects.
2. Hell yes!
2b. Any time 4–11 GMT weekdays, anytime weekends.

TexasDude's avatar

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
2b. Eastern time. Anytime weekends, usually.

Thammuz's avatar

@Paul I assume you mean 16–23, otherwise you have a very fucked up sleeping schedule, my friend.

KateTheGreat's avatar

I do not play Minecraft. However, at first glance, I thought this was a 10k party.

DeanV's avatar

1) Yes.
2) Yes.
3) Wednesdays and thursdays are good for me, anytime after about 5 PST. Weekends are a little less good, but I might be able to make it work with a little bit of advance notice.

And man, I haven’t been on in a long time. That needs to be remedied.

Also, for something like this I think we should see if we can all get on Skype/Vent/Mumble. Might make communication a little bit easier if people are down.

Michael_Huntington's avatar

For me, I’ll commit on Sundays on 1–3 PM Eastern.
Unless anyone has any objections, and it seems the most of you do not, then I’ll reset the server. Also, I’ll contact servercraft to send me a backup ZIP file and feel free to PM me if you want it
Thanks for playing on my server!

DeanV's avatar

Not this weekend, but next weekend would be best for me, it looks like.

I might be going out of town this weekend, and even if the update comes out this week, it might be good to have us all play with it a little if we’re going to do it on a sunday/weekend.

No need to postpone just for me, but 2 weeks from now seems like a pretty good time anyway.

Thammuz's avatar

Therefore, the only limitation, so far, is 1–3 PM eastern on sundays, which means 7–10PM here, which would be perfect, for us at GMT +1 (Or at least most of us, i would wager).

I would suggest we save the date of september 18, or september 11, whichcever is best for you all (I’m unsure whether i will be free for the 18th but i will try my hardest.)

TexasDude's avatar

I was thinking about this today… should we go ahead and come up with some ideas about what kinds of work we will do to establish our initial base?

Like, one of us focuses on tool making, someone else focuses on gathering wood and stone, someone else on making the fuck sure that Enderman doesn’t eat us, and so on…

Michael_Huntington's avatar

I’ll be responsible for spawning rare resources like Slime and I’ll provide some pumpkins as well (IIRC they can protect us from the endermen).

Paul's avatar

@Thammuz No I don’t use military time, I just thought that you would assume (and you did) I meant 4–11pm.

Thammuz's avatar

@Michael_Huntington I think we should do that last… otherwise what would the point of working together be if not ensuring group survival?

Thammuz's avatar

@Michael_Huntington Besides pumpkins will be farmable, so there is no need to spawn them…

DeanV's avatar

I vote the 18th for the party. That way, even if 1.8 comes out this week or next week we might have a stable build or have a little bit of time learning the mechanics first.

Thammuz's avatar

@dverhey To be perfectly honest with you, i kinda wanted that inexperience, i think it would be more fun like that…

jellyfish3232's avatar

This would be great! Different time zones, though, make things challenging… I actually enjot the building aspects more than survival, but it’s all fun. Weekends would be a must for me. A personal request, don’t have spawn be in a snowy biome, if possible. I live in an Eastern Standard Time area, and anytime from about 12:00 noon to 7 or 8 p.m. would work. Don’t work your schedule around me, though. Skype sounds fun as well, although my parents don’t like me interacting with you guys. They’re afraid of internet stalkers. I’m sure talking to you would give them a hear attack. Hm. I’ll try.

Here’s a question: If one of us finds an NPC village, what do we do with it?

jellyfish3232's avatar

Would it be the same server address? If not, make sure to whitelist me and message me with the new address.

jellyfish3232's avatar

A third post. Bother.
Anyway, I talked it over with Thammuz on the server earlier, and he thinks that we should end the current server with a mad griefing rampage. Lava, fire, the works… Thoughts, anyone? Go out with a bang? (seriously, we could get some tnt.)

DeanV's avatar

@jellyfish3232 That sounds kinda awesome. Perhaps right before the party?

As far as Skype goes, it could be good, even if you don’t necessarily talk. I’ve always just found voice chat more convenient than lots of chat conversations going on at once.

Thammuz's avatar

@jellyfish3232 your times are perfect, since the only limitation so far is that we do it between 13 and 15 EST. It would surely be the same server address, not sure if the whitelist is carried over, but I assume it should be.

As for skyping, how old are you exactly, @jellyfish3232? Just to understand if your parents’ concerns are motivated or if they are like my mother…

I’m in for skyping, by the way, I will PM the contact to those who want it, just make sure to tell me who you are when you send me the request.

Thammuz's avatar

I just thought of something: should i Fraps the party? I think it would be worth recording, and maybe putting on youtube or some shit…

jellyfish3232's avatar

@Thammuz:
I’m 14, plenty old enough to Skype with fellow Flutherites. I’ve reqached an educated conclusion that you’re probably not stalking me. Unless of course, that last question was a subtle hint that you wanted my age… nah. I’m not sure exactly how to skype with multiple people, but if you PM me with your skype names I’ll be happy to try it.

Paul's avatar

Same here, I’m 15 if you other flutherites don’t mind. PM me.

DeanV's avatar

@jellyfish3232 You usually just start a conference call and have others hop in or get invited.

@Paul, @Thammuz, @jellyfish3232 I’ll PM all you when we get closer and have a day.

Any word on Crashoverride and some of the other friends on there? I’m assuming they’re all welcome, so are we informing them of this? I’ve talked to Andrew (Yoshinator) in person a little about it and he’s interested.

Thammuz's avatar

@dverhey Crashoverride, Pollonet and raistlin (who has been whitelisted yesterday) I know IRL, and seem all very enthusiastic, both of the idea and the fact that we’re doing it at a time they can attend.

As for skyping with us, they’re not all that proficient with spoken english, so i’m not sure if they will want to participate, except maybe Crash, who’s the best at it (except for me, that is).

@jellyfish3232 If we were stalking you, wouldn’t we already know how old you are?

@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard I would think yes. Since now shears are mandatory to get wool, which we need for beds, we need some people to focus on gathering wood to make houses and tools, while others will split from that group and build a mining shaft after they have the necessary materials, then we need someone to gather food and deliver it to those in the mine shaft and the builders.

In short, at the very least we need:

1) Wood gatherers/house builders (They should build the first house out of wood, then focus on making tools, chests and torches until better materials are gathered)
2) Miners
3) Hunters/Gatherers
4) (Optional) Sand gatherers (For glass)

After we’re done making the encampment we should split in parties and go explore… possibly with maps.

DeanV's avatar

@Thammuz Alright, sounds good. Even if they can’t speak it very well it’d still be good to get them in there lurking just so we wouldn’t have to convey messages to them via chat if Skype ends up being the primary conversation tool.

So are we pretty set on Sunday the 18th?

Thammuz's avatar

@dverhey Seems so, yeah

DeanV's avatar

@Thammuz That’ll definitely work for me.

Any thoughts on time, all? Around 2 PM PST/5PM EST/Unclear thammuztime works best for me, but that can definitely change.

Thammuz's avatar

@dverhey Wes said that he can dedicate from 13 to 15 EST, which means 19 to 21 GMT+1 (which is Italy, where i live) or 18 to 20 GMT if you prefer.

TexasDude's avatar

@Thammuz I’ll volunteer to be a tool maker/armorer and hunter when needed.

Thammuz's avatar

@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard I’d happily help with the mining.

jellyfish3232's avatar

I’m not fond of mining ( Unless it’s cave exploration), but I’ll be tool maker / base builder if you don’t mind. As Dverhey said, the 18th at 1:00 to 5:00 Eastern Standard Time would probably work for me. If not, I’ll just sign on later. No harm done.

Michael_Huntington's avatar

Please give me a heads up before anyone blows anything up so I can back up the server.

DeanV's avatar

@Michael_Huntington I figured we could do it before the party, or set up a bunch of TNT and shit on saturday and then blow it all up at once. I like the idea of one detonation of as much as we can once everyone is on.

Thammuz's avatar

OK, unrelated to the party, but seriously. Who the fuck destroyed the door to my hidden lair and didn’t even have the decency to replace the pistons? or even leave a note, for that matter. Seriously guys, i don’t mind if an accident happens, but at least own up to it!

Thammuz's avatar

Also, related to the party, anyone warn/ask the mariner? i don’t know the nicks on fluther of everyone…

Michael_Huntington's avatar

I wasn’t near the lair, I’m a few miles away from Fiddle’s sand castle. Guys, please take responsibility for your actions. Anyway, I PM’ed The Mariner AKA Foolaholic about this thread.

Thammuz's avatar

Good, I told billybob when i met him on the server.

We really should make a mailing list for the server.

Michael_Huntington's avatar

I’ll make a mailing list sometime this week. Would appreciate if everyone on this thread will PM me their email address, thanks.

jellyfish3232's avatar

@Thammuz? You had a hidden lair? Where was it?
@Michael_Huntington I’ll PM you my email address.

And my TNT idea is a success! I’m pleasently surprised! Let’s not crash any computers, though… Excessive amounts of TNT can be dangerous in more ways than one.

TexasDude's avatar

…so I have been playing the 1.8 pre-release on single player, and I must say, the new features are awesome. Especially abandoned mineshafts and underground ravines. Oh, and I fought off five endermen yesterday. :D

Michael_Huntington's avatar

how did you get the pre-release?

TexasDude's avatar

It’s available on the minecraft forums. Just Google “minecraft 1.8 pre release download” and you should be able to find it. If I wasn’t on my phone, I would send you a link. It’s kind of buggy, and it was originally a leak, but Notch has since approved the leaking of it.

Jay484's avatar

ill pop in anytime im free :)

Thammuz's avatar

@jellyfish3232 What would be the point of it being hidden if i told you? ;)

@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard Apparently it was Jeb who leaked it, so…

Also, the 1.8 version seems interesting, the terrain is much more interesting, that’s for sure.

Jay484's avatar

whats the sever log in?

Thammuz's avatar

Unrelated but funny: I’m in the office playing with the Pre-release (nothing to do, waiting for the boss to come back to me on something), I finish setting everything up and create a new world. I spawn on an island. No trees. No land in sight. I had to swim beyond the orizon to get to somewhere where i could find a tree. This game does not fuck around.

Thammuz's avatar

Related: After playing the new pre release, i have to say: assuming they balance the cave spiders, making them less damaging or allowing to create an antidote for the poison, we should really set the difficulty to hard.

With all the new features, (blocking, sprint attacks, charged arrows etcetera) it makes fighting monsters very easy, making even creepers easily manageable in melee combat (which is good because for some reason i can’t find feathers anywhere).

Let me know what you think.

DeanV's avatar

I think we should set the difficulty to hard just for shits and giggles.

Thammuz's avatar

@dverhey Wait until you face a cave spider before saying that.

DeanV's avatar

@Thammuz Fair enough, I haven’t actually played 1.8 yet.

Anyway, so we’re looking at this sunday afternoon/evening time. I can be on skype, and I know Yoshi can, so if we can get a few others on there I think we can justify just using that for communication. Thammuz, whoever, I’ll PM you my name on there, but if we can’t get a whole lot of people on there it might just be easier using the in game chat for simplicity.

TexasDude's avatar

I can’t be on skype because my laptop can’t handle minecraft and skype at the same time without bursting into flames.

I may be super hungover Sunday as well, but I’ll make every effort to be on time :P

DeanV's avatar

@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard Heh, that’s probably why I’ll be using Skype on my phone, actually.

The time is the only thing I’m not sure about. I’ll probably be planning on getting on around 2 PST, not sure what that is for all of you. I can probably do earlier, but 2 PST is what I’m planning on.

Thammuz's avatar

PST is two hours earlier than EST, right? If so, you’ll be logging in at 4 EST, one hour after @Michael_Huntington said he won’t be available anymore…

jellyfish3232's avatar

I’m against the difficulty augmenting, but you guys can do as you please. The majority seems to be against me.

Oh, and on skype, we would do regular voice chat, right? Not video?

Thammuz's avatar

It would be kinda hard to do video while playing. Plus it would encumber the bandwidth.

Paul's avatar

Also Skype video with more than one person requires a Skype subscription.

Thammuz's avatar

@Paul I didn’t know that.

Michael_Huntington's avatar

New update is available. I’ll back up the server and then delete the current world. PM me if you want the old map.

TexasDude's avatar

I spent two classes today doodling my building plan for this map.

…I hope we spawn somewhere near a lot of sand…

Michael_Huntington's avatar

Trees
Trees everywhere.

Thammuz's avatar

Wait what? weren’t we supposed to do that on the 18th?

Michael_Huntington's avatar

OH SHI- I didn’t read that part! My bad, guys.

Thammuz's avatar

@Michael_Huntington no problem, also it appears you can’t change the world in any way rigt now…

So what are we going to do? replace the world with the old one or restart again on the 18th or what?

Michael_Huntington's avatar

Well I have a back up and I can upload it.

Thammuz's avatar

Waiting for votes on that

TexasDude's avatar

I’d prefer an entirely new seed completely from scratch.

Thammuz's avatar

@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard That’s not what I meant.

I meant: should we
A) Keep this world and reset again on the 18th.
B) Put the old world back and reset on the 18th.
C) Scrap the whole idea.

Personally, i was really looking forward to starting all together, I can go with either A or B.

jellyfish3232's avatar

I don’t care what we do until the 18th, as long as we all get together on a new server on the 18th. That WAS the plan, wasn’t it?

Thammuz's avatar

@jellyfish3232 Well the plan, as I intended it, was to all start together the 18th and use the fact that we were all together to quickly arrange the basic infrastructure… You know, a small city, like the Romans did. and then start exploring in groups.

DeanV's avatar

@Thammuz Definitely B.

Michael_Huntington's avatar

I’ll restore the old world back tomorrow morning.

Thammuz's avatar

The people has spoken. Very well then.

Thammuz's avatar

Question: could you PM me your skype names, or add me to your skype (the nick is the same i use on the server, please specify who you are in the request) so i can host the call sunday and record it along with the session?

jellyfish3232's avatar

@Thammuz I forget what nick you use on the server.

DeanV's avatar

@jellyfish3232 Same here, so I just sent you mine. You might have to add me unless I see you on there.

jellyfish3232's avatar

@dverhey I’m fairly sure that you didn’t send me anything, (4slicesofpizza)?

DeanV's avatar

@jellyfish3232 I meant it to be directed at @Thammuz. I sent him a PM of my skype name.

Thammuz's avatar

I’ve got Jay, Jellyfish and Dverhey. Anyone else?

DeanV's avatar

@Thammuz Plus all of your friends? Yoshinator is in if he fixes his internet by sunday, but yeah, that looks like it.

Thammuz's avatar

@dverhey I was hoping fiddle and Wes would join in the fun

DeanV's avatar

@Thammuz Fiddle mentioned it, but no skype there.

Wes is trying to make himself look busier than he really is. :D

Thammuz's avatar

Oh, has Foolaholic given signs of life?

Michael_Huntington's avatar

I don’t have skype. Do I need a webcam? I’ll set up an account tonight.

Thammuz's avatar

Nah. You do need a mic though.

Foolaholic's avatar

I was actually just resurrected recently. But I’m assuming we’re talking about September 18th, which I have clearly missed. For this, I apologize. And as to these questions:

1) Sure, why not. I’ve improved my Tree of Plenty design anyway :D
2) Preferably yes. I like to be able to see other people and maybe collaborate with them, not walk a day’s journey to say hi to my neighbor.
2b) (in case this still applies) I am currently residing within US Eastern Time. I am free before Noon and after 4 on Fridays, virtually anytime on Saturday, and Sundays before Noon. Most of the week I am on call for work, and I couldn’t guarantee reliability.

So here’s a question:
Would this be a Creative or Survival world we’re making? The nature of @Thammuz‘s question seems to say Survival, which I’m not sure about. I’ve currently been giving my full survival attention to SMP, and I’m not sure I could get invested in starting completely from scratch. But on the other point, why make a crazy-defensible city in a mode where there’s nothing to defend against. Ever since 1.8 came out, I am now of the opinion that a player’s worth should be measured in enderman pearls. So I guess I don’t really have a preferred type, but what are we thinking?

jellyfish3232's avatar

Worth measured in ender-pearls? I’m not sure what you mean.

Foolaholic's avatar

@jellyfish3232 Meaning you as a player are only as cool as the number of endermen you have slain.

Also, I have been unable to re-access the server due to lag. I don’t know if it’s on my end or what, but I’ll keep trying to get back.

jellyfish3232's avatar

I noticed that as well. It’ll let me play for approximately 30 seconds, and then the lag will spike so high that the game almost completely freezes. My hypothesis is exp orbs. When I last logged on, the screen displayed the death notice. Now, I don’t recall dying, but it seems to have happened anyway. I noticed that the entire area surrounding my death was covered in dropped exp orbs; as they rendered, the lag spiked. I think there’s a plugin to disable them, though.

TexasDude's avatar

@Foolaholic Endermen are really damn easy to kill, though. I was expecting a lot more from them as hyped as they were.

As for me, I don’t think I’m gonna be able to join you guys because my laptop screen blacks out every time I play minecraft these days :-(

Thammuz's avatar

@Foolaholic @jellyfish3232 I can confirm the problem is because of EXP orbs. Luckily they do despawn after a while.

Also, yeah, endermen are pussies, and the whole “look at them and they kill you” is crap because a) you can lure them in all sorts of traps by exploiting that, b) they stand still and allow you to have the upper hand and c) the slightest lag means they don’t register the reticule being on them, which makes them dangerous only in SSP.

Foolaholic's avatar

@Thammuz Then you must have a great many pearls, and therefore are worthy. I prefer to meet endermen on flat, unbroken terrain, as they have shown on many occasions the ability to teleport across great distances and impassable terrain.

Furthermore, I’m not sure how exp orbs are causing my problems. My lag spikes are admittedly similar to those that @jellyfish3232 is describing, but every time I check in, I’m standing in the middle of spawn town with no experience or mobs in sight.

Thammuz's avatar

As long a the chunk they’re in is loaded for you (if i recall it loads the 40 chunks closer to you, so it might very well be far and underground) you will experience the lag. I don’t know why you still experience the issue after all thi time, to me it took about 5–6 minutes to delete everything and reset.

If i recall (check on the wiki for actturacy) the 1.9 pre release fixes that. It also adds lots of bugs, so we’d have to be very careful if we want to update.

Foolaholic's avatar

I got on today with no problem at all, and I was experiencing better several access than ever before. If you tinkered with something, @Michael_Huntington, then it totally worked.

Also, since I’m a mariner, I did a little sea-charting in my spare time, and boy did we find a big one. I left a couple copies of Map_0 in the chest by the message board, if anyone wants one.

Foolaholic's avatar

Has anyone else had a problem connecting to the server? I’ve been having issues for a week now. Either there’s a communication error and I can’t get in, or I get in and it lags so horrendously that I have to force quit java. I don’t know if it’s a sever problem or my own connection, but I haven’t had any trouble with getting on the other server that I frequent, so I don’t think it’s me….

jellyfish3232's avatar

sorry mariner, I think it says on the blog. I died and the experience orbs cause horrid lag. We need a plugin to disable them, I;m working on collecting them though.

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