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Will you join the "Bank Transfer" movement?

Asked by ETpro (34605points) October 13th, 2011

The Occupy Wall Street movement is beginning to take some concrete steps to right the wrongs government seems determined (or lobbied) to ignore. They’ve announced Bank Transfer Day. If the government is determined to live the big banks too big to fail, then individual depositors can vote with their account, and transfer their money to smaller local banks that will welcome the business and often waive ATM fees and have far less onerous and less confusing fine-print terms and conditions. I’m planning on doing so. What say you?

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marinelife's avatar

I am planning to move my main accounts to a credit union.

GabrielsLamb's avatar

Wasss dat? *Looks curious.

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

I can’t, for reasons that I would rather not discuss publicly. It’s a good idea, though.

SavoirFaire's avatar

I did this ages ago for other reasons (though still related to business practices). Never had an occasion to regret it, either.

Blackberry's avatar

I was going to do it, anyway. I have a credit union and Skank of America, but I don’t need them.

GabrielsLamb's avatar

*I would love to do back to Bank of America what they did to me… Count me in!

fizzbanger's avatar

The only thing holding me back is that I heard sometimes a new bank will do a hard credit inquiry when you open accounts with them for the first time. Anyone heard of this?

Bank of America blows.

SpatzieLover's avatar

We already moved our money t a local credit union years ago. If we hadn’t, YES, I’d join the movement.

jrpowell's avatar

I have used a credit union for 10+ years.

XD's avatar

Already with a credit union and USAA (which anyone can use for banking). I wouldn’t do business with those thieves in a million years.

creative1's avatar

You do realize its just a matter of time that credit unions will be faced with either charging for debit cards or you will see them being refused at merchants because they cost them from a credit union rather than a larger bank.

SpatzieLover's avatar

@creative1 The credit unions are not paying their employees millions upon millions(executive) of dollars. So, no, I disagree.

It does not cost us money to use our money at our credit union. It will not cost us money to use our money in the future, either.

creative1's avatar

I work for a credit union right now that does not charge even for checking account however because of the newest costs that are associated with all of banking changes you will either see fees for the checking accounts or for having a debit card. All the durbin interchange fee cap did was take the high cost of processing the debit card transactions from the merchants to the banks. Since the banks pay more for the use of those cards due to fraud and theft they are faced with charging the customers in some way. What is preventing the credit union currently from doing so is the fact that they are exempt from having a cap on the fees so they can charge what ever they want for processing those transactions which will be more than a larger bank will be paying. Once merchants realize this they will begin refusing these smaller banks debit cards due to the high cost associated to them for processing the transactions. So what will happen is only the larger banks debit cards will be accepted because they are cheaper for them to process the transaction. Once that begins happening then the smaller banks will be faced with either charge less for transaction and put the cost on the bank customer by either a debit card fee or a fee to their checking account, either way you will be paying. Maybe not right away but its coming.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@creative1 The fees are indicative of a larger issue. Remember: the Durbin Amendment does not incur debt on behalf of the banks, it only reduces the amount of profit banks make off of debit cards. Thus in a very real sense, there is no actual cost for them to be passing on. Every time corporations claim to have been forced to increase prices by the government, they are lying. This is a choice that they have made. There was also the option of changing their bottom line.

Why should they do so? This movement is the answer: because the alternative is to lose business. That answer only applies, however, when ordinary consumers are willing to take hold of their market power. Your post effectively asks us to forfeit that power in advance—and many people have been tricked into doing exactly that over the course of history. One thing the information age has wrought, though, is a public more easily educated about how market equations work; and with this comes a pubic more able to wield its market power effectively (exactly the way a free market is supposed to work).

By abandoning the large banks, we show that this is the final straw. Even if credit unions do introduce new fees—and they also have a choice, so they may not all do so—we still have a market decision to make. If we continue to withhold our business from the large banks, we encourage them to change their practices. We show that we as customers do not care only about our bottom lines and that we expect the same from them.

Some people do only care about their personal bottom lines, of course, and that is their market decision to make. That’s why the bank transfer movement is described as a way of voting with money (as well as protesting with money). Everyone makes their decision, and then we see if the transfer movement received enough “votes” to influence the market.

If the big banks change their policies, other banks will follow (this is why it makes sense to boycott a market leader in favor of its competitors even if those competitors are objectionable in a similar way as the market leader). Alternatively, a market may be created for a different kind of banking institution (especially if the credit unions throw their lot in with the big banks on this issue). If the movement is unsuccessful, however, then we will see no major changes. Given that failure is no different from not acting in the first place, it’s rather risk-free for us to attempt this protest.

As for credit unions finding their cards rejected, it all depends on the size of the business. Many companies simply cannot afford to refuse debit card usage. Small businesses that deal in special commodities might go back to accepting cash only, but grocery stores can absorb the charges without suffering too much.

Moreover, a mass transfer to credit unions will change the situation such that they will not need to control their bottom line through charges to either merchants or consumers. That’s the advantage of having a lot of customers—an advantage that has previously been wielded by large banks, but that could be yielded by credit unions if this movement has even moderate success.

ETpro's avatar

@creative1 I don’t mind paying necessary fees. I do mind my own bank charging me $3.50 to get my own money out of their own ATM. That’s BS. And I mind banks being left too big to fail thanks to Roadblock Republicans and a few bought-and-paid-for Democrats. We the people can downsize them. And I’m planning to do my share.

I was going to look up a link to what @SavoirFaire just wrote, but thanks to that gret answer, I no longer need to. I did research today the actual costs to banks of processing debit card transactions. So I am aware that the current charges are unjustified.

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

If you haven’t seen it, here is the brilliant video that kicked off “Move Your Money”.

My main account is with a credit union now.

ETpro's avatar

@hiphiphopflipflapflop Great video. It shows the matter in a simple and compelling way.

Blackberry's avatar

I’m not waiting; I’m closing my account today. I just checked my account and they’ve been charging a 12 dollar maintenence fee.

Cunts.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Blackberry Did they tell you about the fee? If not, you might be able to demand a refund.

Blackberry's avatar

@SavoirFaire Oh, I handled that like a “G”. They didn’t tell me, so I expressed my grievance. They paid me back and I closed it.

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