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john65pennington's avatar

Ever dated a woman that turned out to be a man?

Asked by john65pennington (29273points) October 17th, 2011

No, this has never happened to me, since I have been married to the same lady for 46 years. But, has this ever happened to you or someone you know? To me, the man/woman, would have to have her/his act pretty well down pat, for me not to recognize it. Question: is it really possible for a man to date a woman/man, without recognizing the difference right-a-way?

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Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

Your premise assumes that if you’re dating a woman and she is, for example, a transwoman who hasn’t or has transitioned, that she’s ‘really a man underneath’. That is incorrect. If you are dating a woman and reading her as a woman and she presents herself as a woman, that’s what she is. If you are unable to get past something body-related or history-related, that’s your problem. Anything else would have to do with crossdressers, I suppose…where you’re dating a woman but that woman identifies as a man who crossdresses. I still can’t see that being common. Oh and just as reminder: many trans people can’t be read by ‘other people’, their gender presentation isn’t ‘suspicious’ and that’s kind of the point, in some ways…they play gender better than cisgender people do.

Neizvestnaya's avatar

Not to me nor anyone I know.

zenvelo's avatar

I was in a bar restaurant in San Francisco that attracted a crowd from the whole spectrum of orientation, and started a conversation with a woman not realizing she was a transvestite man. That’s about as close as I have come, no date though.

FutureMemory's avatar

No, thank God.

I don’t want my life to resemble that scene from The Crying Game.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@FutureMemory Yeah, cause finding out someone used to be a different sex or gender would be such a huge travesty, wouldn’t it? I don’t get why people find his particular issue to be such a nightmare. If you find something out about a person, you say ‘I’m not comfy with this’ and move on but it’s nothing to shudder about. For example, I’m looking into dating this guy right now…(he’s not trans)...and he keeps being all self-deprecating about his sex skills and it’s getting to be bothersome so I don’t think we’re going to get anywhere…and so I can’t be with him but it’s not like I’m going to go talk to my friends about it and be all like ‘geez, how embarrassing.’

Aethelflaed's avatar

If I dated someone who was pronounced female at birth, but then during the time that person was dating me, they realized they were a man, does that count?

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@Aethelflaed I’m sorry, are you asking me specifically or asking the OP?

FutureMemory's avatar

If you know I like women, pretend to be a woman, then get naked with me and have a dick then yes I’m going to be upset. You have deceived me.

You know that’s what I meant, Simone.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@Simone_De_Beauvoir I was asking the OP. Though, I’d love to hear your answer, anyway. I’d probably get a kick out of it.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@FutureMemory I don’t think the OP was talking about (nor was I, in my first comment) about people pretending to be anything. The often-mentioned anxiety (by men, usually) of ‘that girl who turned out to have a dick’ is kind of a cliche response, my dear. Didn’t know you were part of the group that concerned themselves with this really unlikely scenario. But now that I know that’s what you meant, what can I tell you? I hope you’re this caustic to everyone who has deceived you, not just those trans people just itching to get you into bed under false pretenses.
@Aethelflaed I think it counts, for my purposes.

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blueiiznh's avatar

Noppers…...
Of course it’s possible.

bkcunningham's avatar

I’ve known alot of women with big balls. Does that count?

MRSHINYSHOES's avatar

Never——well, at least I think they were women. They were very “woman-like to me. lol

Now you got to ask the women here, “Have you ever dated a man that was actually a woman?”

Joker94's avatar

Nah, that would be an exceedingly rare occurrence for any highschooler, though.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

Closest I ever heard of that was a guy I met, and knew loosely was recanting his days in the military how he and an seasoned vet took some noob out to a bar frequent my transgendered people. The noob got to chatting up some cute lithe being at the bar. First if was drinks, then smooches to full on face sucking. “She” would let the noob feel her up top wise pretty good. Whenever he tried to go “South”, he was blocked. After they were pretty sloshed they stepped outside to get more frisky, I guess, but when the noob got to 3rd base and found a man on it. I was told, the night went very bad from there, especially for the one with the breast. Ouch, pork chops I hear, are suppose to take swelling down.

downtide's avatar

I know a lot of transsexual and transgendered people, but I don’t know of anyone who entered into a relationship with one unknowingly. In the case of a transwoman (male to female) if they have started transition young enough, in their teens or early twenties, and completed the surgery, you would never, ever, be able to tell by looking, even if they were completely naked. In the case of a transman such as myself (female to male) if he’s been on hormones for a couple of years or more you would never be able to tell from general outward appearance but it would be obvious at first glance when naked.

Jellie's avatar

Closest I got was saw this gorgeous guy in a club witha very masculine air about him (which I love) and the most amazing smile. As I stared at him trying to get his attention turned out it was just a masculine girl dressed as a male. I still stared though cause dayeeeeeeeeeem she was hot.

ucme's avatar

Nay, nay & thrice nay!

Brian1946's avatar

No, but I have fantasized about princkazons.

nikipedia's avatar

@Simone_De_Beauvoir, you are really revealing your own biases here. Yes, a person presenting as a woman and turning out to have male genitalia is relatively rare in modern western culture, but in some southeast Asian cultures this is a common occurrence.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@nikipedia NO, what I was saying was rare was a transwoman tricking a man and then revealing she’s trans not that transwomen exist. And it wouldn’t be biases this’d be revealing, it’d be lack of information.

downtide's avatar

Another thing to bear in mind is that some people (mainy the guys who get upset about fionding out the girl they’re with is trans) would interpret ANY period of non-disclosure as a deliberate deception, when it isn’t. Most trans people, especially those fortunate enough that it’s not immediately obvious, don’t like to share this knowledge with you until they can trust you. This usually means a friendship building over time. Even if that time is only a week, or one date, or half an hour, it STILL get’s interpreted as deception and trans people still get beaten up or murdered because of it. It’s as though the only way that would satisfy those people is for trans people to wear a tattoo on their foreheads saying so, and a loudspeaker on their shoulder blaring out a warning.

“Caution. This person is trans. Please do not approach if you are a homophobic, bigoted idiot.”

Ron_C's avatar

It never happened to me but this real backward guy from Alabama fell in love with an Italian transvestite while we were stationed in Naples. I can’t blame him, she/he was cute and you probably couldn’t tell unless you felt around in certain places. Unfortunately, somebody posted a picture of them kissing on our bulletin board. I felt sorry for him because most of the guys on Shore Patrol knew about her and they didn’t tell him because they thought it was pretty funny.

I told him but he didn’t believe me until he checked for himself.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@Ron_C Those blokes on the Shore Patrol didn’t know the men I spoke with that took the noob to the bar frequent by transexuals(?) and got their jollies while he sucked face all night at the bar, were they?

Ron_C's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central I have to admit that I was on Shore Patrol when I first saw the (girl). I didn’t realize that she wasn’t what she appeared. I don’t know if there was a bar that specialized in transexuals but Italians in Naples seemed to do a big business with them is cars and alleys.

I objected to the guys that wanted to keep the kid, fresh from the farm, in the dark about her. That’s why I ratted out his “girl friend”.

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