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Asked by ANef_is_Enuf (26839points) November 5th, 2011

Is there an easy-ish way to make it so that a user can not post a link in their first question or their first answer?
I know virtually nothing about this sort of thing, so I have no idea if this is next to impossible or a simple fix… but it occurred to me this morning that it would help cut down the spam.

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Bellatrix's avatar

That’s a good idea @ANef_is_Enuf. I don’t know but I think it would help.

marinelife's avatar

Hmm, I wonder if it would help with the Google ranking that @Dog was talking about too.

Mariah's avatar

I would think there would be a way to disallow certain text for the first post. Then they could block “http://”. This is a great idea!

KateTheGreat's avatar

Brilliant idea, however, it should be for at least 5 first answers. A lot of times, those spammy accounts post 5 or more spam links before the get kicked.

HungryGuy's avatar

Yeah! That’s a great idea! Don’t allow people to post links until they reach 1000 lurve or so; but you’ll still have to parse answers to strip away spaces and as in w w w . cheep – shoos. c o m (not a real web address AFAIK [as far as I know], otherwise spammers will still put in their addresses even if they’re not links). Perhaps even do away with links altogether to solve the Google “problem.”

augustlan's avatar

Interesting idea! I have no clue if it’s possible or easily accomplished, but it’s definitely worth considering. I’ll pass it along!

Neizvestnaya's avatar

I like the idea. When I first joined then newbies could post only a few questions a day or week, can’t remember but it made sense in order to get a feel for the community and also to navigate the site, structure posts and whatnots.

downtide's avatar

I think restricting links posting to members with a certain amount of lurve is better than a certain amount of posts. If its the latter, a spammer will just post more spam until they get to the point where they’ve got enough to put a link in. With the former it’ll never happen because no-one will ever give them lurve.

Neizvestnaya's avatar

@downtide has a great idea using the lurve. It wouldn’t have to be a very significant amount either since spammers usually hit just once with their created accounts?

downtide's avatar

Actually it was @HungryGuy ‘s idea first, I was just agreeing with him. :)

HungryGuy's avatar

Actually, it was @ANef_is_Enuf‘s idea in her question. I just expanded it from a user’s first answer to their first 1000 lurve (a determined spammer could ask a few troll questions to get past that “first answer” requirement, but probably won’t bother staying around to earn 1000 lurve [which a real jelly earns relatively quickly]). Similar suggestions have been kicked around previously, but I don’t think there’s any way to confirm who came up with it absolutely first.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

If it is to block spammers, how hard is that? Once a user is tagged a spammer their IP address is recorded and kept somehow in a database. A program quickly scans this database against the IP address of all new users, a match, user is dumped. Let the technology do the work. If we have computers that can recognize faces and retinas, we can’t have a program to do this simple task?

HungryGuy's avatar

You can’t block IP addys. With a couple of exceptions, most IP addy’s are assigned dynamically. After a while, you’ll just end up blocking a whole range of IP addy’s from a particular ISP, then nopbody from that ISP will be able to use Fluther.

koanhead's avatar

It’s certainly possible to either filter out links or to reject posts which contain them, using a regular expression to match them (I’d probably make it such that it matches on any string ending in a TLD, like .com$, .cc$ or the like).
It’s not a perfect method, and it’s defeatable, but it would match on most attempts. If the system then rejected the post with a vague error message (“New users not allowed to post links” or whatever) then spammers will probably give up fairly quickly.

jrpowell's avatar

From what I gather most of the spam is actually on the profile pages since that is easier to have go unnoticed.

On my site I just banned all IPs from China and India. Killed 99% of the spammers and maybe only hurt one legit user. I can live with that.

Hibernate's avatar

It can be done but don’t forget a spam bot can just post a random bullcrap somewhere then start spamming. If it can’t post link in the first messages it doesn’t mean they will stop spamming.

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

I don’t mean to insinuate that I think it would be a magic fix, or that there wouldn’t be ways around it. I just figure that almost every morning there are posts with a similar format, a question about a product, a link to the product in the question… and often another new profile that will answer with a positive review and a second link.
Also, it would prevent tumblr follow me and I’ll follow you type of posts from new users.

Just thought I’d throw it out there.

Aethelflaed's avatar

Maybe not such a great idea, because then it also screws over newbies who come here going “what’s this” with a link (as a legitimate question), and if they aren’t allowed to post links, then they’ll just move on to another Q&A site and not stick around. Shouldn’t having the norelfollow or whatever for the first 100 lurve be enough?

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

@Aethelflaed I thought about that, too. I just figured that the number of new users that just ask a question without a link, excluding spammers and tumblr people, outnumbers the ones that do. Not that I know statistics, or that it’s my call to make, but I did think of that.

downtide's avatar

Yahoo Answers doesn’t allow newbies to post links either, but it doesn;t put people off joining or staying. If a legitimate user really needs to put in a link they can put the url in as plain text and if we need to look we can copy and paste it into our browsers. It’s not a biggie.

HungryGuy's avatar

I agree with @downtide. Not allowing new users to post links will annoy 1 in 100 legitimate new users, but will block 99 in 100 spammers.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@downtide Yeah, I guess it’s just that we aren’t as big as Y!A, so we can’t always take all the liberties they do. I would think it actually does put off some users from staying, they’re just big enough that no one notices.

zensky's avatar

I think @downtide is on to something: 99% of the time I do not click on a link – no matter what the funny cartoon or video it is. I don’t require a visual, I’ve heard all the songs. I might click when I have extra time, and I know who the poster is – and I think I know what the link is all about – or not, so I am curious. But in general – I don’t need a link.

So if links were disabled, I wouldn’t mind. They could be posted here – to be copy/pasted – without linking directly – right? Would that help?

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