To @Russell_D_SpacePoet
Yes I understand what you mean… I think… Who created (thought into existence) the creator?
I am one that accepts notions of eternity and infinite. I believe, that if there is a Proto-Mind, that is an eternal agent, without beginning or end. Whereas the human mind is not eternal, but is infinite… having been created, yet never to die thereafter.
Eternity and Infinite are not properly considered as just a whole lot of time. They are states of ISness… states of pure being. There is no clock for applying tautological principles to them. That’s like asking what’s North of the North Pole… does not apply.
I base my position on personal observation and empirical science.
Personally, in all of my imagination, I cannot imagine a realm of complete void… nothingness. Even if I imagine a silent realm of total blackness… then silence and blackness are present.
Scientifically, there has never been a demonstrable instance of void or nothingness. Especially in current science, even a vacuum is inferred to present dark energy… Not to mention the vacuum itself. It is the line we cannot cross with human understanding. Even if nothing exists… then nothing is in existence. No+Thing becomes the Thing.
If time doesn’t exist… then timelessness does. If space doesn’t exist… then spacelessness does.
Since I cannot find a demonstrable mechanism which allows thought to arise from non thinking agents, then I must conclude that thought is the initiating quality of reality. Thought is also the initiating quality of non-reality… which makes non-reality (fantasy) a real agent.
The only problem I have with this… Although Chaos cannot express Will… I’ve also come to the conclusion that Will cannot express Chaos. Humans are good at emulating Chaos, but truly, encryption sciences will confirm that Minds cannot create a truly chaotic system. Otherwise computer hacking wouldn’t be possible.
Again I find some degree of resolve in the sciences. I’m beginning to believe that Chaos doesn’t exist at all. Science looks closer and determines notions of complexity. Since complexity is a mathematical description of an otherwise chaotic system… it becomes apparent to me that Mind can literally observe Chaos right out of existence.
It’s like staring the devil in the face. The more we observe it… the more we understand that it was never there in the first place.