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Where are you on the political compass?

Asked by Aethelflaed (13755points) February 15th, 2012

This was asked a couple years ago, but since users come and go, hopefully this is ok.

As a follow-up to Imadethisupwithnoforethought’s question, I’m wondering if we could get some evidence for just how homogeneous or diverse Fluther really is, and in what ways. So, would you please take a few minutes, take the political compass test, and post your results? Perhaps even take a screenshot of the visual and let us compare?

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Bellatrix's avatar

Same place I was last time I did this. Where I sit on the political compass

Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.72

Aethelflaed's avatar

Economic left/right: -6.25, social libertarian/authoritarian: -7.18 (pic).

Bellatrix's avatar

We are very close to each other @Aethelflaed. Not that I am surprised by that given our conversations in the past.

auhsojsa's avatar

Here are my results

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92

Phew, I thought I was a fake liberal lost in thought disconnected from the rest of liberals.

JLeslie's avatar

I am

Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.74

I thought economically I would have been a little more right. I mean center really I guess.

Aethelflaed's avatar

Interesting. So far, all in the green quadrant – but, with each answer, getting closer to blue. Not that that means anything, it’s just a cool visual pattern.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

Economic Left/Right: -9.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28

vitro's avatar

Economic Left/Right: 8.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97

Link

SpatzieLover's avatar

Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

SavoirFaire's avatar

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

Graph

FutureMemory's avatar

Economic Left/Right: -9.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67

<—— Check avatar for graph.

DominicX's avatar

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28

I’m definitely closer to centrism than many people here, which is what I assumed. Interestingly enough, the “sex” section was where I had the most “strongly agree/disagree” answers.

talljasperman's avatar

Picked strong disagree for all the questions, I only read the first few before I disagreed with the tests questions… seeing I didn’t like stereotyping my beliefs .
Economic Left/Right: 0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3 to -4… I don’t remember the exact number.

I would have liked a I don’t know/care or neutral button.

rebbel's avatar

I am right.
Left, but right.
~

tom_g's avatar

Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97

here is the grid

picante's avatar

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.10

I seem to be “righter” than the majority who’ve posted here so far.

King_Pariah's avatar

-1.50
-2.69

gailcalled's avatar

I hated this quiz. Half the questions were written as double negatives, and I had to translate them back in order to see whether I disagreed or agreed.

And some I felt completely neutral about but had no way of expressing that.

I was also a serious Left/Lib. Well-down in the lower left (green?) quadrant.

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

SpatzieLover's avatar

@gailcalled I hated this quiz. Half the questions were written as double negatives, and I had to translate them back in order to see whether I disagreed or agreed.
I agree. I read quickly. For this test I had to slow myself down, say the sentence to myself and go from there. Like you & others above mentioned I had wished for a neutral button.

Facade's avatar

Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

Left, but moderately so.

Buttonstc's avatar

I take each issue, whether economic or social, on it’s own merits rather than some overarching pseudo philosophy which is supposed to be liberal/conservative.

I dislike the entire Q.

Nullo's avatar

I found most of the questions to be misleading, actually. Like they were fielding soundbytes instead of honestly presenting the issues.

I scored thusly:
Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44

But if there weren’t so many questions that didn’t present the right answer for an option, the numbers would probably be different.

Rarebear's avatar

I always enjoy taking this test, and I always come out the same. Centrist libertarian. Which is about right.

Economic Left/Right: 0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23

Aethelflaed's avatar

I do think the test is imperfect. I wished there was a neutral option, as well. And some of the questions were rather vague – eg, does the market need some regulation? Well, I would say yes, but it’s really more a question of how much regulation than a straight up or down answer. But, it’s fun.

@Buttonstc I don’t think it’s about creating an overarching political philosophy, it’s about using visual aids to understand how closely various people in terms of political/religious ideals. The test does ask you about specific issues. Please?

@rebbel If you take the test and post the numbers for me, I can add you to the Fluther Crowd Chart.

Bellatrix's avatar

Oh I can’t wait to see the Crowd Chart @Aethelflaed. That sounds like fun.

Seaofclouds's avatar

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69

Pretty much the same place I was at last time I took this one.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26

I think that’s probably different from the last time I took it, considering some of my views have changed a little. I think the last time I took this test was quite a while back, on Facebook.

john65pennington's avatar

I took the test.

CaptainHarley's avatar

Economic Left/Right: 0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.10

dappled_leaves's avatar

@CaptainHarley How can I have scored more Libertarian than you? :D

augustlan's avatar

(-7.25, -7.28)
Not surprising, huh? ;)

CaptainHarley's avatar

@dappled_leaves

You’ll have to ask the people who wrote the test that question. : )

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

Boy they really box you into a corner on some questions.

“Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation.”

Consumers can regulate corporations with their purchasing dollars. So yes, they get regulated every time we do or don’t spend a dime on their products. But they don’t require heavy government regulations other than total disclosure to the public.

“The rich are too highly taxed.”

Everyone is too highly taxed. All taxes would drop relevant to government waste ending.

“A genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies.”

Again, with total disclosure, then the consumer would regulate with their purchasing power.

“Good parents sometimes have to spank their children.”

Define “good” and “spank”.

“The most important thing for children to learn is to accept discipline.”

What kind of chicken shit question is that? A person should learn discipline. What do they mean by “accept” discipline? When being disciplined, you don’t have a choice in the matter. I can’t answer this question the way it’s being asked.

“Charity is better than social security as a means of helping the genuinely disadvantaged.”

People earn their way to Social Security. They don’t earn their way to Charity. A SS recipient isn’t necessarily disadvantaged. They’ve paid their dues and reap the results.

“It is important that my child’s school instills religious values.”

Which religion?
___________

Economic -1.62
Social -5.18

Which they claim is just a skosh right of Gandhi. Did they get Gandhi to take this test? How did he answer the gay couple adoption question?

PhiNotPi's avatar

I agree with @RealEyesRealizeRealLies.

Some the questions were under-specified and could be taken either way. Some of the question say something along the lines of “__ is okay in some situations”, without really giving any specification.
Other questions say something like “__ should always be illegal.” Does disagreeing mean that it should always be legal, or that I think that there are some cases where it could be legal?

Anyway, I scored-
Economic -4.88
Social -4.10

tom_g's avatar

Didn’t anyone read the FAQ?

1. Some of the questions are slanted
Most of them are slanted ! Some right-wingers accuse us of a leftward slant. Some left-wingers accuse us of a rightward slant. But it’s important to realise that this isn’t a survey, and these aren’t questions. They’re propositions – an altogether different proposition. To question the logic of individual ones that irritate you is to miss the point. Some propositions are extreme, and some are more moderate. That’s how we can show you whether you lean towards extremism or moderation on the Compass.

Some of the propositions are intentionally vague. Their purpose is to trigger buzzwords in the mind of the user, measuring feelings and prejudices rather than detailed opinions on policy.”

Nullo's avatar

@tom_g Nevertheless, not being able to choose a response that best fits you makes the whole exercise a little more pointless. Some of us take the third option.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@tom_g Yeah, I read it. And I disagree with it a lot. It really doesn’t measure feelings and prejudices, because it doesn’t ask why you feel that way – I’ve seen people end up at the same position for both extremely conservative and extremely liberal positions (or, on the political compass, right/authoritarian and left/libertarian). Usually, when we use these labels – left, libertarian, liberal, etc – we mean to share what positions we hold, not why. So I think it makes the test rather flawed.

I also think there are problems with how they use politicians actions and voiced opinions in order to calculate politicians’ positions. Which I would normally agree with, except that since they can’t use that for the layperson taking the quiz, it makes it harder to figure out what politician you line up with best, because the same standards aren’t being used.

flutherother's avatar

For what it’s worth…..

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.67

That puts me next to Gandhi.

HungryGuy's avatar

On the traditional libertarian diagram, I’m slightly down the left slope from the point at the top.

On this one, I’m approximately the same place:

Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Nullo They have two answers for you on that complaint.

Keep_on_running's avatar

Huge grain of salt with this test, but kinda interesting nonetheless.

Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97

FutureMemory's avatar

I find it funny that those taking issue with the test are almost all right-wing types.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@FutureMemory Or are they Libertarian types? I’d expect conservatives to just accept the authority of the test creators. :P

Aethelflaed's avatar

Ok, so I had hoped that a few more of our more conservative members would post their answers before I posted this, but here’s the Fluther crowd chart. (If anyone still wants to be part of it, I still have the info set up and can add you and repost the crowd chart).

So: VERY interesting. Almost everyone is in the green. There is one person in the blue – but much towards the bottom left corner. There are 3 people in the purple, but two are just on the border. There are 0 people in the red. And in the green, there aren’t any people who go into the far left top part, or the far right bottom part.

Now, again, no idea just how accurate it is, but it’s probably more accurate for a comparison of multiple people than it is in telling a person’s “true” leanings, as it were.

Bellatrix's avatar

Thank you for putting that together @Aethelflaed. It is interesting and I hope more people do the quiz.

dappled_leaves's avatar

Yes, thanks @Aethelflaed. Doesn’t it make you wonder if anyone lives in the pink and far blue? And does that mean that the questions should be changed, or should we just take heart that we’re not as extreme in our beliefs as these crazy people? :D

Aethelflaed's avatar

@dappled_leaves It was actually the results for the 2012 primaries that made me start wondering about the accuracy of the test…

FutureMemory's avatar

I retook the test, but this time with my ‘cynical’ hat on. I figured I’d score around -5.00/-5.00, but actually scored -1.25/-1.44. This shows me we’re closer in attitude than I previously thought.

Nullo's avatar

@SavoirFaire Poor excuses, those.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Nullo They’re not excuses, they’re explanations for moral cowards. Stop being such a hand-holding liberal already. ~

DaphneT's avatar

I seem to be in the company of Gandhi and The Dali Lama. Hmm. I will have to research that a bit.

TexasDude's avatar

3.50, -5.90

Pic

linguaphile's avatar

My Pic

Economy’s -7 and Social’s -6.72

Some questions I had a hard time answering because they are things I never thought about before—

TexasDude's avatar

Y’all are a bunch of bloody commies.~

augustlan's avatar

<< Liberal heathen.

SpatzieLover's avatar

Hippy freak ☮

TexasDude's avatar

<<Classical liberal heathen. ;-P

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard Communists would, appropriately enough, be in the red quadrant. You’ll notice that most of us are in the green quadrant.

TexasDude's avatar

@SavoirFaire I know, I’m just joshin’ y’all. Note the tilde in my previous response.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard I know you were kidding, I just needed an excuse to point out the appropriateness of the red quadrant.

@Aethelflaed Awesome!

TexasDude's avatar

@Aethelflaed, EXCELLENT WORK. Everyone look at the link @Aethelflaed posted!

TexasDude's avatar

Looks like Fluther really is kind of a hivemind ;P

Aethelflaed's avatar

See, this is what I was telling @Imadethisupwithnoforethought… I mean, I love Fluther, but it’s really not where I go when I want to be blown away by totally new ideas… It is where I go when I want chat while a little bit tipsy, though.

TexasDude's avatar

@Aethelflaed at least there are no Nazis, Fascists, or Maoists and Stalinists here that I know of.

Aethelflaed's avatar

Lurkers – come out, come out, wherever you are. We gots to, gots to, know if we have any Nazis, fascists, Maoists, or Stalinists…

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard To be fair, being in the same quadrant does not mean being part of a hive mind. I’ve had plenty of arguments over political specifics here, and you and I are closer on many issues than our charts might indicate. The issue of proper weapon ownership and use comes to mind, for instance. Many people here are against weapon ownership entirely. Others are disturbingly blithe about it. And still others think that there is nothing wrong with owning a weapon, but quite a lot wrong with treating it casually or disrespectfully.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

Moderates seem like fascists to me.

TexasDude's avatar

@SavoirFaire true dat, and that is part of the inherent problem with pretty much any visual representation of political views and whatnot. This particular chart is a lot more useful than the typical left-right representation, though. Your point makes a lot of sense when you look at political figures and their placement on the chart. Everyone from Obama to Santorum are all bunched together in the upper right corner just like most of Fluther is bunched up in the bottom left, but there are definite differences among those politicians. I’m also curious as to what kind of logic the quiz uses in determining coordinates. I can’t find anything on the site about how it works, specifically, but I may not be looking hard enough. I’m still hoping that a lot more people will take the quiz to see how @Aethelflaed‘s big syncretic chart turns out.

@Imadethisupwithnoforethought what makes you say that? That’s kind of in opposition to the textbook definition of fascism, at least from what I interpret.

Aethelflaed's avatar

Yeah, are you a Fluther “outlier”? Do you feel that sometimes, you just don’t fit in? Do you like that feeling? For goodness sakes, take the damn test! And all you who have, make people who are outliers take the test!

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard I really like Political Compass, and I think it is accurate to say that most jellies are best understood as being similar in their political beliefs. But similarity ≠ hive mind. When you’re dealing with people who are both lefties and libertarians, you’re going to get differences between people whose deepest commitments are more lefty than libertarian and those whose deepest commitments are more libertarian than lefty—which is something no chart can represent (as you mention).

I think it’s also quite accurate to bunch all of the current US presidential candidates together where they are: it reveals quite a bit about politics to see how similar they are. But yes, we are all quite aware that there are serious differences between them as well. I suppose this just goes to show that there are often just as many differences within groups as there are between groups. The chart, then, is quite useful for plotting general tendencies (as chagrined as Obama might be to find himself so snug with Santorum). It’s just not a substitute for digging into the details.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@SavoirFaire Does it seem right that Obama is so close to the Republican candidates? Significantly closer than the most conservative jelly? Because that seems really off to me, but maybe I’m missing something.

SpatzieLover's avatar

No, that’s normal. Most US politicians are in that quadrant @Aethelflaed.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@SpatzieLover I know that they’re almost all in that quadrant, but so far over? And so much further over than the most conservative jelly? That’s what throwing me.

SpatzieLover's avatar

Our conservative jellies are still jellies. They’re still open to chatting about things. My husband is way far over in that same square, and he’s conservative, yet open.

They base Obama & others by their legislative voting record. Legislating causes one to become moderate. You can see it on that graph.

augustlan's avatar

@Aethelflaed Am I on the group chart? I can’t find my dot. :(

LuckyGuy's avatar

I came late to this party. It figures:
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44
Link

Aethelflaed's avatar

Damn, how’d I miss Auggie?? Alright, try this.

Nullo's avatar

@Aethelflaed That’s part of why I think that the test is flawed; I expected to be more to the right than that. As it is, I look like a moderate.
Then again, maybe the test is dead on, and you lot are a bunch of extremists? :D

SpatzieLover's avatar

Then again, maybe the test is dead on, and you lot are a bunch of extremists
I kinda think so @Nullo,...I for one, have socialistic tendencies

Nullo's avatar

So, does this mean I’d have a good shot at the Presidency, my stance on issues being so very moderate? Or would my religious conservatism doom me?

SpatzieLover's avatar

You have a good shot. You’re in the right range there. ;) Just use your religion as a platform like the rest of the professional politicians do

Aethelflaed's avatar

@Nullo Well, since you brought it up… yeah, I was surprised by your result as well. Like, Vulcan eyebrow surprised. That’s when I started thinking, “and with the 2012 primary results… is this test that accurate??”

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

With all the “I’m a…insert funny name here…” I’ll add mine:

I’m a semi-liberal recovering southern baptist bitch nuclear kitteh in a scarf human being woman lover of chocolate horny bitch Fuck it, I don’t know what I am anymore! Halp!

augustlan's avatar

Thanks, @Aethelflaed! I feel all included now. :)

Paradox25's avatar

Wow, I’ve scored much further to the left both economically and socially than I expected. Usually I score just right of center, but my libertarian (or anti-authoritarian stance) is about the same. Some of the questions were difficult for me to answer I thought, with the way they were asked.

Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31

Bellatrix's avatar

@augustlan I feel a bit… out there… which is fine with me.

Keep_on_running's avatar

I can’t see me on the chart either…lol.

Keep_on_running's avatar

Oh, there’s an option to add, I’m on there now. Not that it makes much of a difference to the overall trend :P

Aethelflaed's avatar

@Keep_on_running Updated chart (you can’t just add your name, you have to post the new URL)

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Aethelflaed I think there are two things to consider when looking at Obama’s position on the chart. First, there is the fact that the United States does not define the realm of political science. Politics in general has moved to the right in the past several decades, so the American center is not the historical and theoretical center, and America’s lefties are not the lefties of history and theory. Since political science is concerned with the wide array of choices political philosophy presents, and not just with American politics, we shouldn’t be surprised that the chart is not constructed in terms of the United States. And by constructing it with a broader perspective in mind, we get a graphic representation of just how big a lie the “Obama is a socialist” rhetoric is. (See also, FAQ question #23.)

Second, there is a big difference between where Obama was placed on the 2008 chart and where he is placed on the 2012 chart. His current placement reflects all the times that Obama has caved in to the Republicans, all of the conservatives he has appointed to advisor positions, and recent decisions on things like the NDAA. Since actions speak louder than words for the people who make these charts, there is quite a good case to be made for Obama’s move towards the Republican sector of the chart as he attempts to appease the American public.

As for the placement of @Nullo, see FAQ question #4. A lot of people don’t realize that their stated politics are at odds with their actual beliefs. These tests can be interesting tools of self-discovery if one is open-minded enough not to toss them off because the results are unexpected. There is also the possibility that @Nullo‘s stated results are inaccurate because he got frustrated with the test and did not take it in the spirit in which it is intended. I don’t know. He hasn’t said how his frustration affected the way he responded. What a fascinating result it might be, though, that @Nullo could turn out to be less conservative than he thinks.

Nullo's avatar

@SavoirFaire I still say the business is flawed. For instance,
Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races. assumes that there is nothing else to choose from. I happen to figure that race is a fact of no consequence and so can answer honestly, but some people believe that there is no such thing as race at all. How can they possibly answer this?

Take If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations, for instance. The question does not at any point address who is going to be controlling which party globalization serves. Furthermore, I don’t see anything wrong with either position, so I can’t exactly agree or disagree with it. Likewise, I can’t see why both can’t benefit.

Some questions I have no opinion on at all, like Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment. I simply don’t know enough about economics. I know that low unemployment is good, and I’m pretty sure that low inflation is good, but that’s it. And I can’t skip that question, so it skews my results.

Or take Sex outside marriage is usually immoral. I believe that extra-marital sex is always immoral, so I can neither agree (and say that there are unusual cases when it’s not immoral) or disagree (and say that morality doesn’t factor in at all).

Questions like Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation permit me to disagree, but not with the basic assumption, i.e. that corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment. I happen to believe that they can be persuaded, which is a different kettle of fish entirely.

When presented with All authority should be questioned I come to a dilemma. I will grant that temporal authority needs accountability, but I do not think that divine authority (something of a big deal for me) ought to be questioned. So which is the right answer?

Some of these lack clarity. When I see The prime function of schooling should be to equip the future generation to find jobs I think, “Schooling should equip the future generation to be productive members of society. This includes jobs, but it’s not exclusively about employment. But I can’t say it’s not about jobs, because it kind of is.”

Questions that I cannot answer in good faith require me to answer in the milder agree/disagree, since that’s the closest that I can get to a null. They’re not measuring me, they’re measuring a strawman made to look like me.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Nullo Keep in mind that part of my job involves asking what “is” means when I say this: you’re over-thinking these questions.

“Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races” assumes that there is nothing else to choose from. I happen to figure that race is a fact of no consequence and so can answer honestly, but some people believe that there is no such thing as race at all. How can they possibly answer this?

By strongly disagreeing. If there’s no such thing as race, then it is not possible for there to be a race with superior qualities to another. Simple logic. Alternatively, they can substitute “people with different skin tones” for “race,” realizing that this is how many people distinguish putative races.

Take “If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations,” for instance. The question does not at any point address who is going to be controlling which party globalization serves.

Irrelevant. Let it be whoever you’d like: take the best possible world in which there is economic globalization and ask yourself if it primarily serves humanity or primarily serves the interests of transnational corporations. Then answer accordingly. Again, quite simple.

Furthermore, I don’t see anything wrong with either position, so I can’t exactly agree or disagree with it.

If you think either is okay, then you should disagree. The question says ”x should be the case,” whereas you think “no, it doesn’t matter if x or not-x is the case.” That your response could appropriately start with “no” suggests that you disagree. Yet another straightforward answer.

Likewise, I can’t see why both can’t benefit.

{sigh}

Some questions I have no opinion on at all, like “Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment.” I simply don’t know enough about economics. I know that low unemployment is good, and I’m pretty sure that low inflation is good, but that’s it. And I can’t skip that question, so it skews my results.

One question won’t skew your results terribly, especially if you choose one of the moderate options rather than one of the extreme options. But if you don’t know, perhaps the solution is to get educated rather than complaining about a test supposedly being biased. Honestly, are you going to complain that a multiplication table is biased if it goes past the math facts you learned in school?

Or take “Sex outside marriage is usually immoral.” I believe that extra-marital sex is always immoral, so I can neither agree (and say that there are unusual cases when it’s not immoral) or disagree (and say that morality doesn’t factor in at all).

If something is always immoral, then it is also usually immoral. Stronger claims entail weaker claims. This is again basic logic. Choose “strongly agree” to represent how completely wrong you are about this topic.

Questions like “Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation” permit me to disagree, but not with the basic assumption, i.e. that corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment.

If I say “the present King of France is bald,” and if you disagree with the basic premise (i.e., that there is a present King of France), then you should disagree. I will grant that this is not basic logic, though it isn’t advanced logic either. It’s intermediate logic.

When presented with “All authority should be questioned” I come to a dilemma. I will grant that temporal authority needs accountability, but I do not think that divine authority (something of a big deal for me) ought to be questioned. So which is the right answer?

This is a test about politics, so the question is quite clearly limited to temporal authority. This isn’t even basic logic. It’s blatantly obvious fact apparent to anyone who isn’t purposefully trying to be difficult.

But if you need it explained, the logic is parallel to the logic of the race question (as explained in the FAQ).

Some of these lack clarity. When I see “The prime function of schooling should be to equip the future generation to find jobs” I think, “Schooling should equip the future generation to be productive members of society. This includes jobs, but it’s not exclusively about employment. But I can’t say it’s not about jobs, because it kind of is.

The key word here is “prime.” The word “prime” means more than “includes.” I agree that school should, among other things, help equip people to join the workforce. I disagree that it should be the prime function of education (i.e., the last thing we would get rid of if we were pruning education).

Questions that I cannot answer in good faith require me to answer in the milder agree/disagree, since that’s the closest that I can get to a null.

Again: if you can’t answer a question in good faith, get educated. It’s not the test’s fault if you don’t know something.

They’re not measuring me, they’re measuring a straw man made to look like me.

They measure what you give them. If, by willfully misinterpreting the questions, you present to them a caricature of yourself, then you will get a caricature back. If instead you take the time to understand what the questions mean, you will get back something more accurate.

Like I said before: stop being such a hand-holding liberal and take a little responsibility for yourself. ~

Nullo's avatar

Keep in mind that part of my job involves asking what “is” means when I say this: you’re over-thinking these questions.
That may be. Certainly, my professors have suggested the same thing.

By strongly disagreeing. If there’s no such thing as race, then it is not possible for there to be a race with superior qualities to another. Simple logic. Alternatively, they can substitute “people with different skin tones” for “race,” realizing that this is how many people distinguish putative races.
I understand the logic; however, I’m not convinced that the designers were approaching that question logically. It happens quite a bit. Perhaps it’s from too many years of talking with the average netizen, but I no longer give the benefit of that doubt.

{sigh}
Yeah, I found that in the FAQ after posting, so I retract that example.

But if you don’t know, perhaps the solution is to get educated rather than complaining about a test supposedly being biased. Honestly, are you going to complain that a multiplication table is biased if it goes past the math facts you learned in school?
I’m not claiming bias, I’m saying that they didn’t design the test well. I haven’t studied economics, rather like how I haven’t studied geology (and for about the same reasons.) A test for most people ought to reflect that a lot of people aren’t amateur economists.

If something is always immoral, then it is also usually immoral. Stronger claims entail weaker claims. This is again basic logic.
As with the race question, I can work the logic but not know if the developers had intended for me to read the question logically.

If I say “the present King of France is bald,” and if you disagree with the basic premise (i.e., that there is a present King of France), then you should disagree. I will grant that this is not basic logic, though it isn’t advanced logic either. It’s intermediate logic.
I suppose that I expressed the same concern more than once: was the test designed for reasoning, or gut reaction?

This is a test about politics, so the question is quite clearly limited to temporal authority. This isn’t even basic logic. It’s blatantly obvious fact apparent to anyone who isn’t purposefully trying to be difficult.
I’m not trying to be difficult. Faith and politics are inextricably intertwined, since one’s faith affects his ethics and world view – two things that figure heavily into politics.

Again: if you can’t answer a question in good faith, get educated. It’s not the test’s fault if you don’t know something.
As I have hopefully illustrated, not all of my misgivings stem from a lack of education.

They measure what you give them.
No, they measure what comes through the filter that is the test. I will grant that it’s impossible to write in a hole for every shape of peg, but I think that they could have had a better selection of holes.

Like I said before: stop being such a hand-holding liberal and take a little responsibility for yourself. ~
Oh, I am taking responsibility for myself. That’s why I’m so very skeptical about the whole thing: I do not want to be misrepresented. I buttonholed my cell carrier, too.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@SavoirFaire Oddly, I agree with @Nullo on this – reading the FAQ reduced the amount I trusted Political Compass to have created a good (much less great) test for measuring where people should go on the political compass. Mostly, what I didn’t see was why they chose this testing system, the particular wordings that they did, over all the other possible choices. I don’t think the system is bad, but I think it leaves a lot to be desired.

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I’m not particularly interested in the accuracy of the Political Compass. The real benefit of this tool is the fact that it focuses on the fact that our positions on particular issues don’t simply fall into left vs. right or liberal vs. conservative. It is really a conversation starter in my opinion – not some kind of test that results in a number score you can carry around.

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Ec -7.0 Soc -7.5 (Update)

augustlan's avatar

Thanks for updating, @Yetanotheruser!

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