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(Possible Spoiler Alert) Fringe lovers: Do you see parallels between the show and the Wizard of Oz?

Asked by JLeslie (65790points) May 12th, 2012

Nina tells Olivia in the last episode, “you have always had the power.” Isn’t that what Glinda told Dorothy?

Is Walter the Scarecrow? William Bell the Wizard or the Evil Witch? Or, is Peter the Wizard? What other similarities does Fringe have to the Wizard of Oz? Do you think it is a coincidence?

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Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

Walter is the tin man.
Astrid is the lion.
Broyles is the scarecrow.

Peter is most akin to Toto, unfortunately for a show I am desperate to like.

JLeslie's avatar

@Imadethisupwithnoforethought It seemed like Peter could have been Dorothy previously, because he needed to get home as I think about it all, but then this line…maybe Peter and Olivia are both Dorothy?

I see how Walter can be the tin man now that youmention it, bit he literally had a piece of his brain taken away, so it seems like he would be the scarecrow.

Maybe Astrid is the Wizard? Especially in the aternate universe?

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

@JLeslie I get where you are coming from on Walter, but I thought the insanity was a result of having too much brain and no heart. And with Astrid, she was even more cowardly in the alternate universe.

Peter and Olivia both Dorothy? That is a great idea I had not considered it, but makes a ton of sense now that you say it.

I always thought of Bell as the Wizard.

zensky's avatar

For those of us who have seen only the first season you must add “Spoiler” alert next time…

:-)

tinyfaery's avatar

I think you are reaching.

Fly's avatar

@zensky We haven’t given much of anything away, don’t worry. :)

I love Fringe and I can see where you’re coming from, but I think that you’re really overthinking this and that this is mostly coincidence. The characters in The Wizard of Oz are all very clear archetypes, so it is only natural that the characters from Fringe have bits and pieces of each of those characters, as do most characters in existence. I don’t think that any one of them is definitively one of those characters. I think if you really analyze the characters you will see that they are surprisingly complex, even if they seem to match these archetypes on the surface.

I have to completely disagree with yours and @Imadethisupwithnoforethought‘s analyses. To start, one of my biggest problems with this whole concept is that Walter is so far from being any of these characters, especially the Tin Man. The Tin Man had no heart, but Walter is the most emotional and loving character in the show, and he chose heart over brain as opposed to having both. Walter’s personality and questionable sanity make him a very confusing and complex, and I don’t think he is even close to matching any character of the Wizard of Oz. If anyone, maybe Nina could be the Tin Man. But Olivia is not at all like Dorothy at all in my opinion. Personality wise, she is the most ambiguous of all, and her experiences do not align with Dorothy’s whatsoever. Viewers are not meant to fully understand her or be able to really identify with her, otherwise the show would be boring. It would make no sense for her to be at all related to Dorothy. Furthermore, Astrid is timid but not cowardly (and there is a big difference) as she has demonstrated several times during the show. As for Broyles, I do not think that his character has been developed even remotely enough one way or the other to assign him to a character, but I definitely don’t see him as the Scarecrow. The Scarecrow is a happy-go-lucky, no cares in the world type of guy, and Broyles is quite the opposite. However, I will say that I can certainly see Bell as the Wizard, and I do not think that this is a coincidence.

I do think that the show makes references to The Wizard of Oz to hint at a message or a common theme, but I don’t think that the characters are, as a whole, part of these subtle (or not-so-subtle) hints.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

Oh, @Fly, I understand why you disagree.

But I would ask you, did the characters in the Wizard of Oz actually lack the things they described themselves as lacking?

Fly's avatar

@Imadethisupwithnoforethought Of course, no, and I do see your point. But consider that Walter does not think himself to have no heart, except for on a few occasions. The other characters are the ones who perceive him this way, and they have, as a whole, changed their minds as well. Though brilliant, he is also very naive and arguably stupid at times. And his mild insanity combined with his odd personality give him traits of just about every archetype in existence; intelligence is just one of them. As for the other flaws that I pointed out, your question does not really apply.

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