If you don't believe in God,who made this world and who has the control over it ?
As I see it, I feel that there is no “control” over the universe—control is a concept that was created by humans, because for some reason, humans have always felt a need for dominance and submission as a basis for society. Humans will never understand the true meaning of co-existence like other animals do, unfortunately. As for what created the earth to begin with, I believe in the scientific explanation for how planets came to be—we were all once swirling particles of dust that slowly became attracted to one another, and through the power of inertia, formed a spinning disc through the cosmos. As the discs spun faster, the layers of particles separated into separate rings because of their densities, the center being the hottest, and the outer layers the coldest. Eventually the particles would cool and solidify into what we know as planets in solar systems.
What is your perspective on this issue?
That is something people have to sort out for themselves.
Many thanks.
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God is what I go with.. It requires the least amount of thinking.
Why should I assume that there is a “who” in the first place?
@KeepYourEyesWideOpen: _“If you don’t believe in God…Who made this world and who have the control on it ?”
“Who”? (Note that this is like asking, “If you don’t believe that a ‘who’ made this world…Who made this world?”)
What does the rest of your “question” mean? Could you elaborate?
To my knowledge there was no sentient being that made a cognizant decision to “make” the universe. And as such a being would then require an explanation of an even greater magnitude, the belief in one is not an ultimate answer for anything.
Welcome to fluther. You’re full of interesting questions. I don’t believe in God, but I don’t have a clue how all of our worlds came together. I can look at the theories, but they’re just that. And I know no one controls anything outside of their own actions. How’s that for a nonanswer?
Turtles. All the way down.
I don’t know and I don’t know. Which is why I’m an agnostic.
I’ll let you know when I die and go to heaven. Or not.
Me, baby! Now kowtow, everyone.
You can’t say its name, and if you could, you would die instantly.
I’ve said too much already.
[preparing for spontaneous combustion—and now you know why my name is what it is]
Another vote for Vishnu.
Vishnu the Destroyer. Hmmm. Is that @burntbonez’ real name?
Who made this world? Or do you mean this universe? If no one can answer the only explanation left is it was always here. How could it have always been here? No answer to that either, I assume.
I don’t claim to know such things. I find it naive to believe that only one group of people (Christians, Jews, evolutionists, etc) has the right answer and the rest of the world is wrong.
The Elder Gods, duh. Everyone knows that. Don’t believe me? Let me lay it down for you heathens:
1. The Elder Gods are the greatest collective of cosmic deities ever.
2. A collective of cosmic gods that exists is better than one that did not.
3. Therefore, the Elder Gods exist.
Also, you can’t disprove faith!!! Mao didn’t believe in the glory of Azathoth and look at what he did.
Step your game up, heathens.
It was mother nature of course, every bugger knows that.
Only a woman could multitask on such an epic scale.
@bookish1, as a pacifist, I have studiously avoided meeting the Buddha. However, should I ever meet the Buddha, I know what I must do.
I don’t believe anything ’‘created’’ the universe, nor do I believe we’re controlled by any kind of deity. I guess maybe it could be true, but I personally do not believe so. Not that I have any damn idea how things came to be. A buncha scientific shit, is my guess.
But this shit never makes sense to me lol. Take the universe, and what was there before that? Technically, there could not have been ’‘nothing’’, as ’‘nothing’’ can’t exist as its defined. Has to be something. And also, how the hell can anything have just always ’‘been’’? You need a beginning and an end, yet you can’t have nothing, so both my conclusions make no sense when they meet.
Also how does the universe work? I mean, is it infinite? How can anything be infinite? Seems impossible to me. But if it isn’t, what’s beyond it? And what’s beyond THAT? Because there eventually cannot be ’‘nothing’’. Yet it can’t be infinite…I don’t get it.
The alternative to god, any kind of god, seems to be reductionism which is ultimately meaningless and irrational.
It hardly matters, does it?
As the Buddhists say, “Before Enlightenment, fetch wood; carry water. After Enlightenment, fetch wood; carry water.”
I like that, turtles or no.
@bookish1 Everything I know about Hinduism I learned from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I just picked Vishnu because it has a nice ring to it :)
I agree completely with your scientific view of the universe, @KeepYourEyesWideOpen. I believe that God, whatever its form, is humankind’s concept of what is bigger than ourselves and our aspiration for what is better than ourselves.
(Isn’t it nice to have this forum in which to freely express beliefs which we, or at least I, don’t normally express?)
Nobody made this world. It was an entirely natural event that can be predicted by the laws of physics. There are unknowns, sure, but that’s why we have science.
the Flying Spaghetti Monster who else?
I believe the universe came into being the same way my consciousness did. As far as I can tell, it seemed to have happened in parallel.
@ninjacolin
“I believe the universe came into being the same way my consciousness did.”
How’s that? The universe was also the result of unprotected sex between your parents? :)
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait…
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries,
That all started with the big bang!
“Since the dawn of man” is really not that long,
As every galaxy was formed in less time than it takes to sing this song.
A fraction of a second and the elements were made.
The bipeds stood up straight,
The dinosaurs all met their fate,
They tried to leap but they were late
And they all died (they froze their asses off)
The oceans and Pangea
See ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya
Set in motion by the same big bang!
It all started with the big BANG!
Australopithecus would really have been sick of us
Debating how we’re here, they’re catching deer (we’re catching viruses)
Religion or astronomy, Encarta, Deuteronomy
It all started with the big bang!
Music and mythology, Einstein and astrology
It all started with the big bang!
-The Barenaked Ladies
^ ^ God I hate that show!
Get it? God? Ba-dum-tsh!
@livelaughlove21, my parents didn’t have unprotected sex to create me until the moment you mentioned it. :) Honestly, I never thought of it before. It’s as if that past moment never happened until now.
@KeepYourEyesWideOpen Welcome to Fluther. What a Great Question. I’m sure we’re going to enjoy having you here.
I don’t know if any sentience was involved in forming the Universe. I do know that explaining one mystery by proposing that an even greater mystery did it is the way primitive man dealt with a rather mystifying and terrifying world he couldn’t begin to understand.
The fact that the sun moved across the sky every day didn’t actually point to the need of a chariot and chariot driver god to move it. We are no more obviously correct when we make up myths to explain what we don’t yet understand than primitive men were when they explained the movement of the sun and lightning bolts as actions of various mythical gods.
That’s not to say a supreme creator is an impossibility. It just says that claiming all things need a creator, and thus God created the Universe and all that’s in it begs the question of who created God. That leads to a never-ending regression of who-done-its.
I think @ETpro made this world and controls it. I think he is actually the all powerful Zeus masquerading as a jelly.
@ETpro : I should jolly well hope so!
@mazingerz88 : Well, that sure would explain all the NSFW questions…
When it comes to the formation of the world, the question isn’t who, but how. Same 3 letters but 2 different approaches result. Neither path leads to a true answer, as yet, but the how is still searching for a definitive answer, while the who starts with an assumption that has never grown or shown any change in the search for truth.
@livelaughlove21 Got it, and at first I wanted to answer: Christ, you’re not alone!
....until I realised that that’s not really all that funny :D
@bookish1 & @mazingerz88 You saw right through me. I love to watch what all my wonderful creations are doing in the dark. :-)
How do we explain our universe? And how do we explain the explanation of our universe? When it comes to theorizing about an ultimate explanation we have two options: the ultimate metascientific explanation is self-referential and can explain itself (no God) or the ultimate metascientific explanation is not self-referential (God) and cannot explain itself.
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