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Should we make people pay for music, or let them pay for for it?

Asked by ETpro (34605points) March 4th, 2013

Watch Amanda Palmer’s TED talk, “The Art of Asking” then tell me what you think.

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tom_g's avatar

Sorry – didn’t watch the video, but Amanda’s Kickstarter project was really successful.
Louis CK has gone the more direct route to selling to fans as well, and from what I hear, these efforts are tremendously successful also.

marinelife's avatar

Why should music artists have to become beggars when we already have a market in place that has judged what the price should be?

bkcunningham's avatar

I had never heard of her or her music. But it seems to me it is six of one, half dozen of the other. So, is her point that she isn’t under a contract with a major music label and just asks the fans to buy her music or pay to see her in concert?

glacial's avatar

@marinelife Because “the market” has judged that vast numbers of people should be downloading music for free. Music prices as dictated by record companies are completely unreasonable. Forced to make the choice between paying label price and pirating, people are choosing to pirate.

The only cds I have bought in the past 5 years have been purchased at live shows or directly from the bands’ websites, usually on a donation basis. I’m not supporting the industry anymore. We need to break that system and build a new one.

Seek's avatar

There are few artists making music today that I am willing to pay “Market Price” for. Most of the albums I have in my record collection already were either purchased decades ago or second-hand.

As far as new albums, I purchase them either from the artists themselves at live shows (and I pay cash. Eff you, trackable system) or in the case of one – from the website. Loreena McKennitt has never played in Florida to my knowledge, but she owns her own record label – Quinlan Road – so I have no qualms about buying from her website.

jerv's avatar

@marinelife The market didn’t set the prices; the RIAA did. The same RIAA that wanted SOPA and is pushing CISPA. If the other reasons listed above are not enough reason to change the business model for music sales, how about cutting off funding to a terrorist organization?

Coloma's avatar

I adore street musicians, just the other day there was an older guy playing his guitar and singing in front of a store. He was singing folksy songs and did the greatest rendition of the old Peter, Paul & Mary, “Puff the magic dragon.” Made me cry!
When I finished my shopping I pulled up to the curb and gave him $5.00 for that lovely little tune. :-)

wundayatta's avatar

It takes a lot of work to “ask.” You are essentially building your own grassroots funding network one person at a time on the streets. It means you are going to spend a lot of time, as she did, couch surfing and standing on street corners and living a hand to mouth life. It’s great if you can enjoy it. It’s easier for young people.

A lot of people don’t want to ask. They feel demeaned by asking. Most artists don’t want to do business. It takes time away from their art. Many abhor business and are willing to live hand to mouth in order to scrape along so they can spend as much time as possible making art.

The thing is, business is work. Art is fun. Business takes your soul. Art is indulging your soul. Who would want to do business when you can do art?

Well, people who need security do business. Most of us feel a need for security, so we work for a living, instead of trying to do art for a living.

I am near that point in life where I can quit work and do art because I have made my living. But I’m still not secure enough. So I’d still feel like I had to do business to do art. I believe that in doing business, you remain connected to your audience, and if you want to please people, that can be important.

It’s important for Amanda, but then she thrives on love. She does what I want to do. She falls into a sea of people, naked, and, well, has them draw on her. Next best thing to making love, I guess. She’s crazy, like me. Only unlike most crazy people, she’s manic. You can see it in her eyes, the way they shine and the way she smiles when she’s up on stage and everyone is focused on her as she tells her story.

I know what she’s feeling. I get that too, in my group meeting. My own little mini-TED talk that happens every other week or so. I get five or ten minutes and I make up a story on the spot, just like I make up answer here, on the spot, and I deliver a story that has a message and that moves people—if I’ve done it right. I get love in return. I would do that all the time, if I could make a living at it.

The thing about crowd-sourcing is that you can start small and build up. You can have a day job to keep you going. You can make connections. If you are an artist, you can go one of two ways. You can love the contact and get and return the love, or you can be rejected, and then you just turn to your art and do it for the love of it, no matter whether you find people who appreciate it or not.

Fluther is a sea of love, too. We, of course, call it lurve. And I fall into it regularly. It is my sustenance of my soul, and I work hard to deliver. Sometimes I hit. Sometimes I miss. But I’m always working hard, even though I never edit.

As to making people pay or letting them pay, there’s no need to choose. We can all do some of each. There’s room for all models of business. If it works, it works. That’s the only way to judge. As far as I can tell, both models work. But different models probably fit different personalities.

Some people can fit within the corporate model. Others can’t. Fortunately, there’s a way that both can make enough money to get along.

She was shooting for 100K. She got 1 million. I wonder what she did with the extra 900 thousand?

deni's avatar

Obviously at this point if people don’t wanna pay they’re not going to. I haven’t paid for music in a long time. I don’t have the extra money laying around at all. However, by accessing free music (and some artists support that including my current favorite which I think is just awesome) I find out who I like then when they do come around on tour, I can actually support them by going to see them live which I think is way better anyhow!

ETpro's avatar

@tom_g Really. I love the comedy Louis C.K. delivers. I had no idea he was selling direct through his website. Very cool.

@marinelife If asking to be paid for work you perform is begging, then aren’t all people who work for wages just beggars? Record labels want million album sales. They don’t tend to have room for artist that appeal to a niche market of arcane tastes. I see no reason why that should dictate that such niches go unaddressed.

@bkcunningham Yes, pretty much so. She did an album for a label, and it sold 25,000 copies in the first couple of months. She thought that was awesome. The recording company thought it wasn’t nearly enough. So she went out on her own. I’ll admit her music is extreme and not for everyone. I think that “The Grand Theft Orchestra – The Killing Type” uncensored version is absolutely brilliant. So I think it’s great she decided to chart her own course rather than let some suits at a big recording label take control and force her to either crank out pablum or shut up.

@glacial That’s a fact, Jack. And the RIAA is swimming upstream trying to stop it.

@Seek_Kolinahr Great. That’s what I’m talking about.

@jerv Yes, and the RIAA is back paying its lobbyist to push for new legislation. The original idea of copyright was to protect an artist’s work so they could profit enough from it to continue their creative enterprise. It has now morphed into something that is instantly acquired from the artist by a corporation which can trade it like a commodity. I do not think society benefits when only those artists who can appeal to mass markets can find a venue for their work. I’m delighted to see an alternative emerging.

@Coloma Cool.

@wundayatta Wonderful answer. And as to how she spent the money, that’s up to her to decide. But from how she’s connected to her art and feeds off the love it brings her, I bet it went into making more and better art.

@deni That’s certainly one of the emerging business models. Thanks.

ETpro's avatar

@submariner Very relevant. Thanks.

mattbrowne's avatar

The future is paying for concerts. It’s like paying for support for Linux, but not Linux. Music becomes more and more “open source”.

ETpro's avatar

@mattbrowne I think that’s a fundamentally healthy thing.

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