Does this qualify as hate speech?

It is an abridgment of free speech and, in my view, it is wrong.

I don’t think it is hate speech.

Are you asking whether Farrell’s presentation qualifies as hate speech, or if what the protesters were saying qualifies as hate speech? I don’t have two hours to watch the longer video, but based on the shorter one, I don’t necessarily think either of them would qualify as hate speech. He has a right to say what he wants, they have a right to protest.

I don’t think any gender, race or religion has the corner on the jerk market. Those protesters seemed a little over the top and I didn’t watch the 2 hour video either. What crisis is affecting boys? It didn’t seem like hate speech just rude and confrontational. But hey women walking down the street past a construction site often endure more personal statements than I heard there.

Being female and having had to endure the benevolent (sometimes) dictatorship of males most of my life, I can relate to them. But I am curious as to what this crisis is, I don’t see any so when I have time I will watch that video and do a little research to see what I think when I have the whole picture.

From personal experience with aboriginal people in Australia where the men are supposedly turning to alcohol and drugs because they no longer hunt and the women have become authority figures, the problem is brought on by the men themselves. They don’t hunt because they buy take away food with government handouts. They also often buy booze instead of real food at the grocery store so the women arrange to have the money come to them and they take care of the kids. Then the men cry and say women are taking away their masculinity???

No offense, but can you just write out the gist of the film in description? I don’t want to stream a vid :(

I don’t have two hours. Reader’s Digest version?

@rooeytoo I can agree with your points, and they prompted me to ask this question a few months ago which addresses some of those of which you’ve brought up. I’m not a fan of all (in fact most) men’s rights advocates, but I’m more on the side of liberal masculists such as Farrell.

@pleiades @Seek_Kolinahr I don’t have a condensed version of the speech, and there may be things you’re missing out on by not watching the video despite my description of it. Farrell was talking about issues that affect males, young and old, such as lacking outlets to talk about their problems, why boys are doing more poorly in school, high masculine expectations being placed upon boys, etc. Farrell blames elements in both the progressive and conservative camps, and he blames both men and women for these state of affairs.

@Paradox25 – of the issues you addressed in the above response, I see no difference no than when I was a child. This society was created by men, now it seems they are whining because they don’t like what they have done to themselves. When males outshone women in academics, as they did for hundreds of years, there were no cries of consternation. Now women are no longer expected to act dumb to preserve the male ego and are doing well in school so we think there is a problem. Men brag about the fact and write books that they don’t like to talk about their problems, hell if men wanted to talk about problems, most women would be thrilled to listen. High masculine expectations were always around, I have a friend in his late 70’s who was the grandson of a very successful businessman, his father was a classic underachiever and he felt great pressure to make up for his father’s failings. And again, I think men created that environment for themselves.

I am more concerned with women’s rights. I have always wanted equality, not special or separate, just plain equal opportunity. But I am willing to listen to mens’ ideas of their problems, however so far you haven’t said anything that feels as legitimate to me as the problems women face.

What is most interesting to me is that I think these issues arise from folks today having too much time to think about what is supposedly wrong with their lives. My grandparents were farmers and worked 7 days a week 10 or 12 hours a day to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads, they didn’t have time for this. I haven’t decided if that is a good or a not so good thing!

@rooeytoo I guess that I could say people have too much free time on their hands if they’re whining about women’s oppression as well, and how can anything be corrected by not talking about the issues which affect us? Contrary to what you may believe there are many men out there who are not too fond of what they’ve been pushed to be either, but then they stand up for themselves and get attacked by feminists, progressives and traditionalists.

I would suggest reading The Myth of Male Power by Dr. Farrell if you want to understand how the concept of male privilege is just that, a myth. Personally I (and Dr. Farrell) feel that men and women suffer under the gender role theory. I was more interested in the nasty reception that people recieved attempting to view what Farrell had to say, I mean the police had to be forced to remove many of these protestors, and they visciously harrassed men on their way in. I guess these feminists had too much free time on their hands as well, so maybe they should spend 10 to 12 hours a day working instead of harrassing spectators and whining about women’s rights.

@Paradox25 – I agree the behaviour of those people was very bad and a waste of precious time. But I still don’t think male power is a myth. I have fought against gender bias my whole life, whether it be my original chosen field of endeavour or the contractor who built my kennel and wanted to tell me how it should be done. Not from a building perspective but he who didn’t even own a dog, knew more than I did (he thought) about how they should be housed. I agree though than men and women both suffer under the gender role theory. I have always said womens lib freed men as much as women but it always seemed as if men wanted to preserve the I am the head of the house and what I say goes role. But really all I ever wanted in this world was equal opportunity, I am opposed to maternity or paternity leave when financed by the employer, I don’t think the job should be held open while a woman has this leave. I never liked quotas. I just want the same chance to be on the front line in the war, or digging ditches. Really there are not many jobs left anymore that depend solely on strength, but for those that do, if I can’t lift the weight then neither I nor the weak guy beside me should get the job. And I agree with you, no women and children first on the life boat.