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Should I tell my friend, or someone, that his girlfriend was arrested for retail theft?

Asked by TheKBird (82points) March 13th, 2013

I apologize in advance for this being so long, but I will be forever grateful if you read all the way through it and make sound, thorough responses

So, I have a friend who is in a relationship with a girl that he met on an online dating site. I have never had a good feeling about this girl since the day I knew she existed. I could write a small book if I went into every detail as to why I never trusted her, but basically, they dated long distance for 4 months before they decided to be in a relationship, she wouldn’t be friends with him on facebook yet put up a picture of the two of them being very couple-like, she claims she is not into facebook to his mom yet still posted regularly, and he has text message screen shots that indicate she was in a relationship with someone else when they met on the dating site. Now, I recently discovered that she was arrested for retail theft at the place where she worked and fired from her job, but I’m not entirely sure that he knows. It occurred about a month and a half after they decided to be in a real relationship, and he moved down there about a month or so after that. Even including when they dated but not in a relationship they had only been together for less than 5½ months when it happened. I don’t know of anyone who would move for someone if they knew they did that, and I’ve definitely asked people if they would. I would think, or like to think, that he’s smarter than that, too, and understand that that is not responsible, mature, selfless behavior for a girl in her mid-20’s who is college educated and supposed to be making a career for herself. If what I put together of her before is true, then it’s totally unreasonable to think she could’ve not told him about it or lied to him about it. I’ve mentioned what I’ve observed before, too, (not the arrest because I didn’t know at the time) and he did not correct me about what I thought or defend her, which also makes me wonder that I might be on to something. It’s a lot of shadiness and something just doesn’t add up to me.

Now, if he were just my friend, I’d probably have no problem saying anything. The problem is that I have feelings for him, as you’ve probably already surmised, and he knows that. I find it very frustrating because in the time that I have known him, he has done things definitely imply he also has feelings for me, such as giving me his credit card information, a computer, learned to golf and joined the gym with me because he was jealous of another guy, dinner with his family, text messages all day long every day, teaching me how to play his computer games, and then going to his house every day to the point where it was just assumed I’d be going over there without him inviting me, and things like that. One might say that he was just keeping me on a hook but that’s a lot to do to keep someone on a hook, and we have never done anything physical, so what would even be the point? Then at my reunion a few months ago, I saw him, and he gave me that unmistakable look of longing, everyone knows what that look is and what it means (and he was in a relationship with her and living with her too when that happened), so you can imagine my frustration of seeing him look at me like a lost love and then running back to her with all of her inconsistencies.

The other thing is that I found out she was arrested and fired because I google searched her in a low moment of mine and my gut instinct about her coupled with my curiosity got the best of me and I found the police report (not even a complicated or long search, just her name and city, it came up on the first page, there was no “hunting” involved). I admit that it looks bad, a bit obsessive, and I’m not really proud of it. It also brought up her LinkedIn profile which had her end date at her job listed as the same time of the arrest, so I think it’s fairly safe to assume that that is what happened. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s not an armadillo.

So now I don’t really know what to do with the information I know. It’s my own fault for finding it, and now it’s driving me crazy, and has been since I have known (over 2 months now). Part of me really wants to say something because it gets it off my mind and I get to make sure he knows and stop her lying if thats the case. Part of me doesn’t though because while it’s good evidence, it’s not 100% solid. I know I wouldn’t exactly come out smelling like a rose either, but I am less concerned about my image as I am that she may very well be lying to him (and his family for that matter). I also know I shouldn’t save him from his relationships and the only way for him to learn anything is to just let him be screwed. I guess I am just afraid that if I don’t say anything, she will just continue to lie and it may never be discovered. I know that I probably shouldn’t, but would it be so bad if I did? Is not saying anything when you know something the way that people get away with stuff? I am also friends with his cousin, and was thinking of letting her know instead. She would understand, I’d get it off my mind by letting someone know, and I don’t think she’d go running off to the family and tell everyone there either (I don’t want to undermine or try to turn anyone against her). Would that be ok? I just feel that if I say something I can stop thinking about telling someone so it stops driving me crazy.

I’d really appreciate any thorough thoughts on this matter as I have been going over this again and again in my head. I probably know I should do and maybe this is my way of keeping me from doing something dumb. Any thoughts, suggestions, or even alternatives are welcome.

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29 Answers

Luiveton's avatar

How about instead of telling him yourself, bring it up; make him Google her so it’s like he found out. Tell him you guys should do it for fun, the way some people Google-image themselves. Tell him to write the exact same (or similar) information to what you wrote and see what comes up, that way you’ll act as surprised as he is…

janbb's avatar

Leave it alone. It is not your business and as you say, you have an ulterior motive. Telling him will not help your cause. He will figure her out himself eventually.

marinelife's avatar

It is not a good move to tell him. You could, as @Luiveton suggests, suggest that he Google her, but if you tell him he will ask how you know and you are going to come off as stalkerish and intrusive.

The best way to get this off your mind is to get him off your mind. Consider him taken and gone. Instead of obsessing about all the things he did that showed interest in you, think of all the things he didn’t do: he didn’t ask you out or date you, He did not initiate anything physical. Those were the things that would have shown interest in you.

Luiveton's avatar

@marinelife she’ll act like she doesn’t know. She can act as if she’s doing it for fun. She can first suggest that they Google themselves, then she can bring her up.

But yeah, the fact that you have feelings for him might be skewing your views of her don’t you think? Anyway, if you’re 100% (literally 100%) sure then the right thing to do would be to tell him. However, 1) you have to be sure 2) there’s always an explanation for everything, so she might have a good explanation that would make him end up feeling sorry for her and he’ll like her even more. You’ll end up looking and feeling bad so watch out.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

This is why I don’t think police records should be public information. Such an invasion of privacy! If a person did something wrong and took care of it, the whole world doesn’t need to know.

zenvelo's avatar

Forget him and move on, it is really none of your business. It is his life, and he is responsible for his own life.

IF he asks you what you think of her, you can tell him, but if he doesn’t ask, stay out of his life!

Ask yourself this, what does it mean about him if he knows all this and is still into her? He may know all about it, getting fired is not an easy thing to hide.

Luiveton's avatar

I think some of you are replying too harshly, bear in mind she has feelings for the guy and that is probably affecting her more than you might realize.

janbb's avatar

It is because she has feelings for him that she has to stay out of it. Believe me, I’ve been there.

LostInParadise's avatar

I think that you do have an obligation to tell. Apart from ulterior motives, you are still friends, and as one friend to another this is something worth telling. Suppose that this was something that you read in the newspaper. I am sure you would have no qualms sending him the article. So the main problem is that you don’t want to come across as a stalker. What is wrong with just telling the truth? Say that you had a bad feeling about this girl and wanted to follow up on it.

Seek's avatar

If he really does want you too, you won’t have to rely on Mean Girls tactics to get rid of the other girl. And if he doesn’t want you, getting rid of her isn’t going to help you out.

Stay out of it.

KNOWITALL's avatar

If you were just friends, I’d tell him, because I look out for my friends and yes I have googled and stalked and checked our local court records site on new boyfriends that seemed sketchy.

BUT since you are not 100% sure, and you have the motive, I’m afraid you’d look like a jerk. And as @Seek_Kolinahr says, it probably won’t help you out by revealing her past, instead if she has told him about a sketchy past, it may put you in a really bad position and lose his friendship.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

Retail theft isn’t murder. Imagine how silly you will feel if she has already told him about the incident.

LeavesNoTrace's avatar

If this guy is kooky enough to date such a sketchy person, do you really want him? Move on and don’t worry about it. It will all be revealed eventually.

Seek's avatar

Many people go through a shoplifting phase. Hell, I did myself. Even more people steal from their workplaces. Sometimes you get caught. Most of the time, you don’t. What separates the ones who do from the ones who don’t? Luck of the draw, mostly.

The fact that this girl got caught means little if anything. You don’t know what she stole. You don’t know what it was worth, or if the proprietor of the establishment was just making an example of her.

You also don’t know whether she stole anything at all, as an arrest record isn’t the same as a court judgment. Also consider that many people plead their way out of these issues even when they are innocent, especially if they can’t afford a lawyer.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

Bravo, @Seek_Kolinahr . I have shoplifted, too. And my sister-in-law, who is a lovely person, swapped pricetags at a clothing store where she worked. She didn’t get caught.

Seek's avatar

@Skaggfacemutt Yeah. I’d go to the bookstore and get two books: One, a discounted thing I might or might not actually want, and a book I actually wanted but couldn’t afford in my purse. No one ever guesses you’re going to steal something when you’re paying for something else.

The last book – and last thing – I ever stole was “The God Delusion”.

TheKBird's avatar

Thanks for all the different feedback. To me, and no offense to anyone else, stealing is stealing and it’s wrong, and with her it happened while they were together. He’s a pretty moral guy when it comes to things like which is why it seems off. As for her stealing, not that I have absolute proof of what happened exactly, if it is true then it’s probably not her first time, and probably won’t be her last. If she gets caught a second time, that’s a misdemeanor, and she would go to jail (I have lawyer friends that i asked), which is definitely not good. I probably could find the details about what I found by going to the courthouse or municipal police and ask to see the reports, because those are public too, but I think that’s going a little far.

And as for him not initiating anything physical, we’ve made plenty of innuendos and suggestions between the two of, and I’ve seen the look on his face like he wanted more but wouldn’t. That’s respect, not lack of interest. Trust me, if I could just turn off the feelings for him, stop thiking about it, and walk away I definitely would. I think everyone wishes their brain had an off switch. Unfortunately, you can’t control who you fall in love with. And yes, obviously I would be happier if they were not together, but I do not want to outright attack her. That’s not something I would do. I’m not a vindictive person. I’m just one of those people that when I have something on my mind, I need to get it out, like a splinter, somehow.

I guess I wish there was a way I could find out if he knows before saying anything. I just know that if I were in his position, I would want to know. Do you think at the very least making mention of it to his cousin that I’m also friends with would be a bad idea? Is there anyone I can tell?

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

If you are that infatuated with this guy, then you should try to win him back without becoming a tattletale. That is not a good look.

Seek's avatar

Let me reiterate:

You don’t know that she stole anything.
You also don’t know that she was convicted of theft, only that she was accused of theft.

You have no proof, you have a mugshot you found on the internet, and a linkdin profile with an “end employment” date.

That’s it.

You also have an unhealthy obsession with this person. The girl, not the guy. You’re bordering on stalking. It’s not doing anything to endear your “beloved” to you.

LostInParadise's avatar

What she has is documentation, which can be provided to her boyfriend so he can decide for himself. I don’t see why everyone is making such a big deal of this. We are talking about publicly available information. You say, oh bye the bye, I got some info on your girlfriend that I think you should know about. End of story.

Seek's avatar

Sure. She can tell whoever she wants. Is it going to make the guy fall head-over-heels for her? Not likely.

LostInParadise's avatar

So what? Doesn’t friendship count for anything? Why do we assume ulterior motives? I do agree that if she thinks this will lead to her getting the guy, she is in for a major disappointment.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

If she does that (provide documentation to this guy) she is going to make herself look like a desperate, clingy, stalker. I don’t know about you, but I don’t run background checks on my friends’ acquaintances. Sounds kind of creepy.

Luiveton's avatar

You know what? I think if you are not going to respond helpfully then don’t bother at all, with all due respect, of course. This isn’t a site where you attack others for not approaching certain situations as you usually would. You either give a helpful response—and if you really have the urge, then share your thoughts nicely, otherwise don’t bother.

What she does and how she thinks is entirely up to her. Being doubtful towards someone doesn’t make them a stalker; we have all experienced situations where curiosity has gotten the best of us.

All you need to do, @TheKBird, is to confirm your suspicions prior to taking any other steps. More importantly, get to know the woman more, so then your views won’t be as skewed. (And you will satisfy your suspicion as well)

Give it time, everything definitely becomes clearer with time. And I definitely understand that having feelings for him makes it even harder—especially that you are extremely close. Everything will probably work out in the future if you suspect that deep down somewhere he has feelings for you. I think gut-feelings are true most of the time.

Their relationship seems like a complicated one anyway from how you describe it. Personally I don’t believe in long-distance/online-based relationships. Excuse my opinion.

Whatever you have to do, I support. And he will too if he’s a good friend. Most importantly, put your feelings aside and make sure that you are purely doing this for his benefit, that way, he will truly understand that you are doing this for him and he will have no excuse to get mad. And even you will feel better about this yourself. If you do follow the plan I previously mentioned, try lightening things up if he seems pissed by defending her even slightly, that way he’ll know you’re not prejudiced.

G-luck.

KNOWITALL's avatar

In this day and age, I think it’s dumb NOT to research people in your life. Regardless of the other posts above, I wouldn’t want a thief in my home or my friends home without their knowledge.

Isssyyy's avatar

Okay I think you should first off write a list of the pros and cons of telling him, using ideas from people answering your question but also of your own knowledge of his personality and how he has reacted in similar situations. Then after that If you thought it was worth telling him I would tell his cousin first just to see what she thinks.

In the end it is your decision to deal with this situation and its all very well people voicing their opinions but it is you who has to deal with the consequences.

You never know he might have had doubts about her and this extra information might be the tipping point for him.

Another thought is have you asked her yourself or are you not on good terms with her? She might not realise that people know about it, just an idea.

Shippy's avatar

Some how tale telling never works out for a better good. It always seems to backfire. Unfortunately you are better advised to leave this alone.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

My answers are helpful – you just disagree with me. Doesn’t mean my opinion is not helpful. I am concerned that the asker of this question will tell her friend and that will make him turn against her. And it very well could have that effect. I agree with @shippy.

jtxl's avatar

if she was arrested, her mugshot is public. you can get a copy online and post it to his facebook. You should not get your hopes up with him though, he’s just not in to you and opening his eyes won’t change that.

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