What if the Native Americans discovered Europe first, and not the other way around?

First, you should rearrange the letters in Europe the other way around.

Native American were much like Europeans. Some were peaceful. Some were warlike. Some tribes had slaves.

It depends on who has the better immune system

They’d probably treat us the same way. It was a very violent and barbaric time, all the way around. Didn’t start getting better till the 70’s. The 1970’s. :)

They might have thrown a huge thing of canvas over the Eiffel Tower & created the world’s largest tee-pee, room for a whole community right in the centre of Paris.

I’m guessing it wouldn’t have happened to begin with. As far as warfare and warfare equipment goes, Indians were completely inferior to Europe. Had they tried to take over, they would have got their asses handed to them. Unless maybe there was an extremely large number of them.

That’s not to say Indians weren’t fine warriors, (they pushed away the Vikings who first came to Canada years before it was taken by the first founders) but there’s so much you can do with wit and finesse, if your adversaries all have ’‘thunder rods’’ or walk as if golems made of some material we’ve never seen before, and all you have is bows and arrows.
You didn’t fuck with Indians in their environment, hence giving them blankets made of plague but if they found themselves in a strange environment not familiar to them, they would probably be quite disoriented. Plus Europe was way too friggin’ big to be taken over just like that.

On a positive note:
The natives would learn new skills and would had been able to advance in trading in a global world.
Learn skills not known to them , languages,making cloth,glassblowing, ship building, etc to name a few.
The Europeans would learn new languages ,survival skills,hunting wild game,living off the land, etc.
Much like Europeans immigrated globally to bring back riches ( silks,grains,technology) thereby increasing their trade , knowledge,growth.

Um….if they didn’t know ship building before they took over Europe, they couldn’t have gotten there to take them over. Unless they took a 747 or something. And the Europeans already knew how to live off the land. It’s not like they had grocery stores and Walmarts back in the fifteenth, sixteenth century.

Apparently in Louis and Clark expedition they had discovered an old Viking Ship ashore from many years before.
(Vancouver Coastline).
The natives would have had to commandeer a ship or convince Vikings to take them back to Europe etc?
They could have learned from each other, but unfortuneately fighting and annialating was first and formost on their minds ?
Defence is the first response to someone different landing on your territory.

They would have come Europe and said “The apple falls from the tree to the ground because the Wolf Spirit is hungry for fruit and picks it.”

The Europeans would have said “Dude, it’s because of gravity”

Thus, nothing would have changed.

I…don’t think that’s a likely scenerio, @Inspired_2write.
And I’ve never heard that Lewis and Clark discovered a Viking ship. They hung out in England and Iceland and places like that. To my knowledge they never made it as far as the Americas.

I read this in the Sacagewa story:Quote from wikipedia:

(c. 1788 – December 20, 1812; see below for other theories about her death) was a Lemhi Shoshone woman, who accompanied the Lewis and Clark Expedition, acting as an interpreter and guide, in their exploration of the Western United States.
She traveled thousands of miles from North Dakota to the Pacific Ocean between 1804 and 1806. read this in the Sccagawea story about Louis and Clarks expedition .

I’ve read Sacajawea by Anna Waldo about 5 times. Sacajawea is my hero. There was no mention of a Viking ship being found in the book.

Remnants of a viking ship was found by the natives and relayed to the Louis and clark crew.
( there story).

Well, can you show me the passage where that was mentioned? I sure don’t remember it. Something that stunning, I would have remembered it.

Me thinks it’s time to read the book again.

If Europe had the technology of the Native Americans, and the Native Americans had the technology of the Europeans, the exact same thing would have happened. The Mezoamericans had huge empires, a few of which were notorious for their military conquests.

Basically, discovery is a two-way process. The Native Americans would discover the Europeans at the same time that the Europeans discover the Native Americans. The questions become:
1) Where is the fight occurring, in the Americas or in Europe?
2) Who has the technological advantage, Americans or Europeans?

The premise of this question appears to be that the answer to question one is that the fight is occurring in Europe.

Assuming that the Europeans had the technological advantage, they would easily fend off any Native American invasion. They might even treat Native Americans as some sort of curiosity, nothing to be feared. Eventually, one European ruler will decide to find the Native American’s home country, and then they will proceed to take it over.

This isn’t super-realistic. Since the Native Americans would be the discoverers and were able to cross the Atlantic before the Europeans, it is quite likely that they would have had the technological advantage. In this case, they would have done the same thing to the Europeans that history tells us that the Europeans actually did to the Native Americans. They would simply colonize the land and push the Europeans off of the land.

Anyways, this whole question is “What if the Native Americans discovered Europe first, and not the other way around?” A much more interesting question, in my opinion, is ”Why didn’t the Native Americans discover Europe first, instead of the other way around?”

Well, because they’d only made landfall, 20,000 years ago, and a second time, 10,000 years ago, @PhiNotPi, during the two ice ages that exposed the Bering Land Bridge. They were so few, so unpopulated that they just didn’t have the time, or the need, to invent the things that the teeming cities in Europe did. Some countries were strongly dependent on the oceans, like Holland and England, so they invented ocean-going boats. In the Americas, the oceans were thousands of miles apart.

I believe the book that I read ( a few years ago) was written by Anna L. Waldo called
“Sacagawea”(louis and Clark Expedition.)
Iam not sure of which one I had read but her name rings a bell, so I think it was in that one.
( it also could have been in the Epilogue or Preface of the book..not sure)
But I do remember that part.

….So…if I read the epilogue or preface of the book (I have both) I will find references to Viking ships found by native American Indians?

The “L” stands for ‘Lee’. Anna Lee Waldo.

Vene, vidi, vici, if you can! Survival of the fittest. Top of the food chain, etc.. It is the way of the world, always was and always will be. The time may come when the ones with the biggest intellect win instead of the ones with the biggest guns, but the biggest and strongest will always prevail.

If I understand history right (it was my worst subject in school) the Native Americans did not think in terms of land ownership, so they would have come to Europe having to learn the concept. I doubt they would have come onto the new land wanting to kill Europeans, seize land, and put their flag down. Probably if the Europeans were combative the Native Americans would just turn around and go back home. There was plenty of land in America, why bother fighting off Europeans.

Some Native Americans might have been aggressive. In each culture some people were agressive and greety; while others were peace makers and not seeking to possess more things. But, overall I think the Native American culture was An attitude of sharing what mother nature provided, which in my opinion works fine when food is plentiful.

When? 5000 BCE? 1000 BCE? 1000 CE? 1492 CE?

It all depends on the level of the cultural evolution in Europe.

@mattbrowne My assumption had been at the time the Americas were discovered by the Europeans. So, that would be your 1492 CE number I guess. It will be interesting to see what the OP says regarding your question.

The Europeans would not be persecuted by the arriving Native Americans for the simple reason of lack of science and less advanced technology. Except for the feat of crossing a huge oceans Native Americans would not have been able to compete with Europeans in 1492 and beyond.

@mattbrowne 2013.

@talljasperman – You mean what would happen if Native Americans discovered Europe in 2013?

@mattbrowne Yes… what if neither found each other, and the Native Americans had a technological advantage.

If they hadn’t found Europe by 2013 they wouldn’t have technological advantages. “Going to the moon Mom!...Wait! What’s the huge-assed land mass down there??”

I think @talljasperman means that Europe hasn’t evolved technologically and Native Americans haven’t traveled to the moon yet.

@mattbrowne Yes you are correct.

@talljasperman – Then I see no difference to the other way round. Native Americans would take control in Europe and only later discover that Native Europeans also have rights.