Muslim cleric damns Navy Seals during service?

What idiot thought inviting a Muslim cleric to pray over these fallen heros was a good idea?

You’re not surprised a cleric would damn the dead at a funeral? It would seem unusual to me and I’m not sure it was true.

I think I need to see video and a reliable source for translation before I believe it. It sounds so outlandish. I’m not saying it is false, I just don’t believe it out of hand. The link doesn’t spell out what exactly was said.

Is the cleric a Chaplain?

At a military service I think it should be either Chaplains, who are trained in dealing with many religions, or secular services.

Generally, I don’t understand throwing in a religious person just for religions sake, if the person being honored isn’t the same religion, except in the case of Chaplains when there is little other choice.

@flutherother Well yes, I agree. Our media’s activities and motives are capricious, but you have to start somewhere. Apparently there was a recording and a translation.

Edit: I’m not surprised, because there would be absolute outrage if a Christian had been asked to pray over a group of dead servicemen if even one of them were Muslim.

This looks like the same story dated back in 2000?

Sounding more and more like BS to me. Even if the event actually did take place, it might have been misunderstood whatever the cleric said. A Jewish person points out in the thread that at a Christian wedding they attended the minister talked about how marriage without Jesus won’t last. I just went to a wedding like that this past winter and I was dumbfounded. Actually, I was pissed initially. I guess they are just talking about having a Christian life, home, and marriage, but the way it was worded sounded so offensive to me as a Jewish person sitting there. This happens often, Christians, not just clergy, say things that they don’t realize sound like nonChristians are not good enough for God and there is no way they can have a good life. I don’t think they mean it that way, but the words chosen fall on our ears that way.

Edit: I read the date wrong, it is from 2013.

Here is a link from that thread I linked above with the translation. I am not seeing where it is so bad. I couldn’t run the video, but the written translation doesn’t seem to be a problem. Sounds like what is probably said as a standard thing.

The origin of this seems to be Larry Klayman’s ‘paraphrase’ of what was said. Larry Klayman also suspects that Muslims may be behind the Texas fertiliser explosion He sounds like a troublemaker to me.

Here is a more nuanced analysis (from The Blaze, of all places), which seems to reveal that this is all more or less a hoax. These families are clearly just looking to cause trouble, as evidenced by the blatant inconsistency of their claim that the “military brass” prohibited “any mention of a Judeo-Christian God” and the fact that the US soldier who opened the ceremony began by invoking the “almighty and awesome God” and then quoted the Bible in his speech.

What idiot thought inviting a Muslim cleric to pray over these fallen heros was a good idea?

What an incredibly racist thing to say.

I don’t mean this as a ad hominem dismissal of the premise that this cleric did “damn the dead” but I will caution that the Washington Times is a far right wing media outlet with a long history of misquoting and even fabricating sources in order to push a political ideology. Don’t rely on them alone as a honest broker of the news. Unless I saw independent verification of this story, I’d give it no more credibility than the stuff we find on right-wing conspiracy theory websites.

@ETpro It’s probably telling that even The Blaze, which was founded by Glenn Beck as an explicitly right-wing news source, is calling bullshit on this one.

I’ve seen no clear evidence this is anything but a hoax.

For one thing, what are the chances that anyone, besides the cleric, attending an event like this in the U.S. knows Arabic or Persian well enough to know he was damning the seals?

@dabbler What?

‘Muslim cleric who “disparaged in Arabic the memory of these servicemen.” ’
I know it’s cliche about U.S. citizens not knowing any language but our version of English, but convince me that people at this gathering have any idea what he said, in Arabic…

@dabbler I have no idea if someone there spoke Arabic, I wouldn’t assume one way or the other. I know my Lebonese-American neighbor was in the army, she happens to not speak much Ararbic (she is second generation American) but easily she might. But, even so, maybe no one there speaks Arabic, so? It still could easily have been recorded and the translation done later. Did you read the translation on my link? Nothing on that translation seems very offensive to me, any more than most Christian clergy might say. Do you think if there is a service for a number of fallen soldiers the Baptist Minister bothers to leave out Jesus his Lord and savior for the Jewish person who might be present?

There easily could be someone pissed a Muslim cleric was present at all and made a thing about even before they knew what he said.

@JLeslie Well, you’re right it’s certainly possible he really did this thing, and that someone did figure it out. If he did he’s a disrespectful jerk.

They way this travelled through the news smells funny though and it reeks of simple anti-arab propaganda.
Supported by the story the ‘reporter’ heard from a guy who knows a guy.

@dabbler It’s definitely a hoax, but I don’t think anyone is claiming that they knew just from hearing the cleric speaking in Arabic that he was condemning them. There’s an audio recording of the event, and the claims are based on a (distorted) translation of that recording.

@dabbler You do realize from my very first answer I cried bullshit from the start don’t you? The whole thing reeks of Obama haters. The type of hater who makes up stuff and are completely paranoid and feel sure Obama wants pure socialism and Islam to take over the US and the world. Those people. Not the average conservative who just is not happy a democrat is in office.

@JLeslie That’s correct, I was not disagreeing with you. This appears to be a sicko-twisted b.s. story made up by a hater.