Do you oppose the Monsanto Guarantee Bill?

It has been tested. There is no evidence that GM foods are going to hurt people. The benefits far outweigh any imagined negatives.

@Dutchess_III
There is No long term testing. You are totally incorrect.

Monsanto is a criminal organization, and the people who voted it in are in their back pocket. Obama seems to think it was a good idea (or he would have vetoed it), so he’s behind it too.

@snowberry
Both parties are corrupt. Obama is a hypocrite.

Or he’s smart and doesn’t cave in to popular, hysterical opinion.

@philosopher Yep. I agree. I never liked Obama, and now that he’s in power, I know why I didn’t like him. Our entire government is corrupt, from stem to stern.

I am OK with the bill as signed. I am comfortable with the testing that has taken place.

The anti-Monsanto group is using the issue to raise funds and try and invent an issue where nothing serious exists.

At least in the 1970s we protested about things that mattered.

@snowberry
Both parties are clearly corrupt.
Blunt is a Republican from Missouri he wrote the bill with Monsanto. They all did as the lobbyist demand at the expense of the health of American citizens.
Anyone who does not comprehend this is clearly bias or ignorant.
There are No long term studies on GM food. Know one knows if, people will become ill or die. All knowledgeable people say long term testing should have been done first.
Human beings are being used as lab rats. I will never vote for Gillbrand she voted against states right to label.
Michele Obama goes on shows like Dr. Oz to promote healthy eating and Obama did not veto a bill that jeopardizes American health. He is a worthless hypocrite.
I eat organic but now it will cost even more. I will eat conventional food but if, it might be GM I will do without it.
Most of Europe has banned GM products. China has banned GM food.
If I ever had a doubt about how corrupt both parties are I No longer do. It is time to vote both parties out. They all work for lobbyist, corporations such as Monsanto, drug companies, the wealthiest, special interest, foreign interest and themselves.
The part that angers me most is that when people become ill Monsanto can not be sued. Not even if, people die. Clearly our government is corrupt and it is time to get rid of both parties. They work together and non of them represent the majority of us. Their concern is pleasing corporations who fund their campaigns.
Some people can continue to fool themselves because they make money by supporting Monsanto. I hope all their supporters reap what they sew.
Some people may think I am too blunt and angry. To bad I do not like being betrayed by my own government. What they did is morally wrong.

@philosopher GM foods don’t jeopardize human health.

I’m starting to see a lot of blogs about how it IS starting to jeopardize human health. It will get worse. And it won’t get better.

Blogs don’t equal science. Blogs are written by people who need to be outraged every day.

I have no issues with GMO. But I do not want my government to play favorites to GMO over Organic solutions, which have also been shown to be sustainable, successful, and profitable.

I also believe that GMO should be labelled clearly and honestly, without question. Failing to do so, or blatant refusal, is an attack upon my personal freedom.

I also do not believe that private organic farmers should be penalized for Monsanto seed blowing into their fields. GMO should be as accountable as anyone else.

@Dutchess LOL, yes, I remember years ago all the outrage about people actually making a distinction about organic food. The very nerve! A pharmacist at the time tried to convince me that everything is organic, so it’s all safe! Heck, dog crap is organic, but we know it’s not safe. Now organic food is not only recognized, it’s regulated by law.

The establishment is always about 20 to 30 years behind the people who know. I’ve seen it over and over again.

Edit: Here’s a link to help ya out: The 12 most pesticide laden fruits and vegetables in the US http://www.ewg.org/foodnews/summary.php

I’m not saying that GMO is harmful or healthy. But I cannot deny the abundance of negative claims about it. It’s not just one group against GMO. There are countless groups against GMO, and I fail to see any obvious incentive for them to be against it were there not some legitimate concern. Sure, some groups are wacky conspiracy theorist… but not nearly all of them.

Why has EU been so so slow to accept and adopt GMO? Do they know something we don’t? Have they not partaken of the Monsanto kool-aid yet? Are they just stupid Europeans? The US has lost a huge amount of exports to foreign nations in recent years. Specifically because they do not want our GMO products. Why?

But that’s the point, @snowberry. The GMO foods won’t need to be sprayed with pesticides!

Right. The corn has the pesticide right inside it. Now most Americans have some amount of the Bacteria Thuringenis in their gut. That’s in spite of the pesticide industry insisting it is not because the stomach is a highly acidic place, and Bt could not survive there. Well MY stomach is not highly acidic, and I know many people in my situation. I am working hard to make things right, but last time I checked, my stomach “acid” is almost neutral. I can’t digest much of anything if I don’t take digestive enzymes. My point is that Bt is not killed in the stomachs of many people like me, and in much of our population.

“Scientists predict that any risks associated with ingesting GM foods are magnified for high-risk groups in our population, such as pregnant women, children, the sick, and the elderly. The long-term studies needed to identify GMOs as the source of the many increasing health problems associated to diet in the Unites States are not being done.”
http://www.opposingviews.com/arguments/gmos-are-inherently-unpredictable-and-unsafe

From the OP link:

“On May 23, the Senate voted down (27–71) the Sanders amendment #965 to S.954, the Farm bill. The amendment, submitted by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), was an effort to support the existing right of states to enact their own laws requiring the labeling of genetically engineered food.”

Why did the Senate take away any right of the state? It’s a law that PROHIBITS THE TRUTH FROM BEING TOLD!

GOD DAMN IT. The truth has been outlawed. Fuck you Senate. Fuck you!

So even though I probably have Bt inside of me, and it’s causing who knows what unknown havoc, why do I still get bit by mosquitoes?

Huh?

It’s a joke.

Since Bt is a pesticide, and I have it inside me, why do I still get bit by mosquitoes? If you don’t get it, sorry.

@snowberry
As Dr. Oz put it and other people concerned with health you study unknown substances or food before you try them on humans.
Most studies are done on mice and rats. Our corrupt government is allowing Monsanto to do studies on American’s.
You can find stories about doctors and researchers who oppose GM food. There are No long term studies which can provide conclusive proof. That is clearly why selling GM food should be illegal.
People who deny this reality are clearly invested in Monsanto and deluding themselves. I know I am right. Their ignorance is very clear.

@philosopher Not anymore. We ARE the experiment. But we are the experiment on so many fronts, it’s a fight to figure out who to blame. We’ve got kids showing up with peanut alergies due to immunizations made with peanut oil. We’ve got GMO foods. Our food is laced with preservatives…Oh I could go on and on. And in each of these situations there is evidence they cause disease. Not a problem for big pharma, Monsanto, and the FDA.

@Dutchess_III
You clearly know nothing.
I won’t debate with you because you have not read what doctors and researchers have said or; you ignore them because your invested in Monsanto.
Studies on drugs and most things are tested on animals. Eventually human trials are done.
Do to our corrupt Congress Monsanto is allowed to test GM products on humans.
Your denial of reality and attempt to distort the facts may work for morons. It does not work with those of us who have working brain cells. No matter how much you bullshit.
Many corrupt Congressmen/women will be voted out over this issue.
Most American’s oppose the Monsanto Guarantee once they comprehend what GM food is, that it is not tested and that the bill places Monsanto above the Judicial System.

@snowberry
True change will only happen by electing Independents. The Democrats and Republicans represent lobbyist not the majority of American citizens.
Both parties and their extreme rhetoric disgust me. It is all a of pack lies. The lobbyist own Congress, the FDA, and most government agencies.
I am unable to make up my mind who disgust me more the Democrats or Republicans.
I do not support extremist. I support documentation, common sense and what is best for the United States.

@philosopher I don’t think anyone you might be able to elect, and no matter how many of them could fix the mess we’re in at this point. There are too many laws are already in effect to support it, too much big business, and too much under-the-table dealing.

In my opinion, in each case there is criminal activity going on. And it’s completely out of control. You can’t fix it.

@Dutchess_III you see what it’s like with the true believers? I was wondering when they’d resort to argumentum ad hominem and it took longer than I thought.

Generally I don’t bother.
The conversations have a script:

GMOs are bad
How are they bad.
This blog post tells me so
But that’s a blog post and an opinion piece. Can you show me science?
The science is there if you open your eyes
Can you help me?
Do your own research. You must be in the pocket of big agribusiness.

It’s not worth it. If they want to spend more for their peaches potentially driving up long term food costs and kill millions that’s their prerogative. Personally, I’d rather save the planet.

@philosopher Don’t be such an ass to people who don’t agree with you. Dutchess has reasons for believing just as valid as you believe that you do. To believe anything less is immature and disrespectful. Scary actually.

@philosopher ” I know I am right”

That’s some scary talk man. I don’t see you right in any knowledge of GMO until you work in the industry and conduct your own independent tests. Then you can claim a certain degree of right. But even then, you cannot claim ultimate rightness, which is nothing more than self righteousness disguised as truth.

Woe to the one who believes they own the truth.

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies
It is morally wrong to make humans into test subjects.
Testing on humans is typically done in clinical trials after test on rats, mice and creatures that are not sentient are done.
You can think what you wish of me. I have enough Science credits to comprehend the risk. No matter how much BS Monsanto puts out. Our so called leaders work for the lobbyist. They deserve to reap what they sew.
I do not have any respect for people that force others to eat untested food. I will buy organic food.
If God exist he,she it will judge us all. I do not harm other humans to enrich myself.
It is clear that Monsanto and the lobbyist think they are better than most of us. They think most people believe their lies. They are pure evil. American’s are starting to see what is happening. Change will happen and our corrupt leaders will be voted out.

oooooooooh, he’s had “science credits.” Look out!

(I got, like, 17 of them at K-State when I went right after HS, and only 6 (I think) were required to graduate. And I only went through my sophomore year there. Every time I needed an elective I chose a science class.)

@philosopher @Dutchess_III

this discussion isn’t going anywhere. it is devolving into a pissing match.

@philosopher is sure in his beliefs based on his opinion. It may be right, it may be wrong, but these are his beliefs and he is not going to be persuaded.

And @Dutchess_III (and a bunch of others) are just as sure the opposite direction.

But it’s for damned sure that no one is going to respond positively to “it’s my opinion and it must be right”. That’s just not a persuasive argument.

@elbanditoroso
Studies are normally done on rats and mice not humans. Not on sentient beings.
You will not find definitive proof because the ability to genetically alter food has not been studied long enough. New medications and procedures are not approved for human clinical trials for a long period of time. Sometimes particularly here in the US medications and life saving procedures typically take too long to be approved. Why is GM food not being studied before Monsanto is allowed to plant and sell it?The reason is Monsanto paid people off.
Congress and the hypocrite Obama betrayed the American people. Obama and his wife talk endlessly about how American’s must eat healthy food.
You do not need to be a genius to comprehend this. Common sense and a basic knowledge of how the human body uses food indicates humans should not consume GM food until it is tested. Before humans eat GM food it should be studied for years. Only than would people know what the side effects are.
It is disrespectful for anyone to say GM food is safe. Know one knows what the long term effects of GM food will be.
I do not apologize for stating the facts or saying that passing this bill is morally wrong.
We have family invested in Monsanto and I would tell them the same. They do not wish to here it. All that matters to them is their wealth. I consider them wealthy educated morons, who lack common sense or a trace of foresight.
Any researcher, doctor or Scientist who is not paid off would agree with me.
All drugs are tested before they are prescribed for humans and new procedures are as well.
Without looking it up I can tell you that Dr. OZ and others have said, I am correct when he discussed GM food.

@philosopher Oops, placebo controlled double blind studies trump common sense. And morality too. Every time. It’s a wonder we all survived until placebo controlled double blind studies were thought of.

So where are all those placebo controlled double blind studies on GMO again? Hmmm

@snowberry
I agree with you.
They take years to approve most procedures and medications. Europe usually approves things first. People here die waiting because insurance companies say procedures are experimental.
Despite that doctors already know they work.
One of my favorite doctors. Who is brilliant and also a researcher is surviving Cancer with an experimental procedure.
I learn every time I see him because I read on line and discuss Science with him. What an awesome Professor he must be. He will tell me if, my conclusions are correct. He usually says they are. He is always surprised by what I know.

since when are “cancer” and “science” proper nouns?

Exactly what kind of “science” credits do you have @philosopher, that makes you such an expert?

So let me get this straight. According to scientists, we don’t know anything for sure unless there is a double blind placebo controlled study done on it. And faith and common sense is overruled by the same. That’s the argument I’ve heard time and time again here against faith based beliefs and behavior.

But Monsanto and its fans surely are going on faith when they refuse to submit their products to the epitome of scientific proof. Essentially they’re saying It’s going to be OK because “It’s just common sense. Have faith in us!”

But when you’re in power, you’re already “right”, and you can squash anyone who raises a question against you.

Does anyone else see the double standard and the hypocrisy here?

@philosopher wow. For someone who has “science credits” you know very little about how science works.

I was going to deconstruct all the misinformation in your post but frankly it’s not worth the effort.

@Rarebear
You basically do one think very well bullshit. To make yourself feel good about yourself. I have family and friends in my life. Your opinion means less that nothing to me. Your ignorance is very clear.
Your truly funny. You make me LOL.

wow

I repeat my previous comment. This is silly. @philosopher is convinced of the correctness of his views and nothing will change that.

@snowberry
Unfortunately your correct our corrupt Congress and President have been bought by Monsanto. They have many people fooled but many are waking up.

@philosopher you lost the moral high ground when you tried to insult Dutch. You’re a bully. Fortunately Dutch is WAY too smart to take you seriously.

Ignoring all the madness that has occurred thus far in this thread I’m just going to go ahead and throw in my 2 cents.

I think Monsanto is a horrible company for starters. Watch King Corn and then tell me there aren’t some major issues with how this company operates.

The fact of the matter is that we do not have long term evidence to say that GMO’s are safe.And the Monsanto Protection Act or as it’s being called now “Consolidated and Further Continuing Appropriations Act, 2013,” protects them from any litegation if it turns out that GMO’s aren’t safe.
We simply do not know enough about GMO’s yet.

The bigger issue I see with all of this is mono-crops. One disease that affects these crops and we’re fucked. Genetic diversity is key.

And to lighten this thread up a bit, watch this for lols

@uberbatman Aw, all I got was a “Sorry, page not found” message.

How about now http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-3-2013/you-stuck-what-where-now- ?

@uberbatman
Your correct.

I have a headache.

@Dutchess_III From his bad spelling?

Partially @Rarebear. But also from just going round and round in circles and not getting anywhere.

[mod says] Flame off, folks. No need to make this so personal.

@augustlan Yup, you’re right, I’ll back off. (Insert parting shot here).

@augustlan
I did not attack anyone here.
I simply stated what has been done to American citizens and they became nasty.
They must feel the need to defend themselves because they support Monsanto. Rarebear is the attacker. It is clear he attacks because he knows he is wrong. Their Philosophy is to personally attack anyone who does not support them or anyone who exposes Monsanto.
In ten or more years we will know what the result of GM food is.
I did not ask this question to insult anyone. I simply wish to know how most people feel. Most American’s strongly oppose the Monsanto Guarantee once they comprehend the implications.
I have No problem agreeing to disagree with anyone.
I did not get personal they did.
People can think what they want. I support what doctors, nutritionist and researchers tell me. Corporations are only concerned with profit. It is clear to me that our government favors them over the health and welfare of American’s. This makes me very sad and I wanted to see how people feel. I do not understand why this offends anyone.

Except when you told Dutchess “you clearly know nothing” and when you said “your denial of reality and attptnto distort the facts may work for morons. It does not work with those of us who have working brain cells no matter how much you bullshit”. And when you said to me “you basically do one very well think bullshit” which I think is an insult but is so badly written that I can’t be sure.

And by the way the contraction of “you are” is “you’re”, not “your”

Sorry about the typo above. I was typing on iphone and something must have happened. I have no idea how it got “attptnto” out of what I typed.

@Rarebear I think you’re both typing on i-phones.

@snowberry Normally I don’t as I hate typing on my iphone. But I was bored so I opened the mobile site. Annoyingly enough, it wouldn’t let me cut and paste, so I had to type it out. I should have just waited; live and learn.

I ask myself, if an array of pests will not eat certain GM foods, should I?

@bea2345 Good point. I avoid ‘em too. I figured this out years ago. I was a cook in the Army reserve. Every week we’d get in a shipment of Eddie’s Bread where it said, “Tastes just like REAL bread!” right on the package. Now that right there was enough to give me the heebie jeebies. I always wanted to know what the heck they put in that stuff to make it taste like the real thing!

After a weekend of training, we’d always have a few loaves left over. I’m such a cheapskate, I hate to throw anything away, so I’d always leave them in our refrigerator, hoping someone would eat it for sandwiches during the week. Well the bread kept adding up, but because the fridge was so large, I just left it there. About 6 months later I decided to clean out that fridge, and I discovered that bread never did go moldy. The loaves on the bottom of the pile were as “fresh” as the ones with a current date. That was about preservatives, but now we’ve ramped it up with GMO crap.

The moral is, if the bugs (or mold) won’t eat it, why should I?

@snowberry

FYI.
http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/cms/thanks/stop_the_monsanto_protection_act?action_id=4058537&akid=.902864.W1Q0-R&ar=1&form_name=act&rd=1&taf=1