[NSFW] Did the lechers among us evolve from the Bonobo's side of our common ancestor's family?
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June 7th, 2013
You know how randy bonobos are, right? If not, this link will provide you the deliciously sordid details. That out of the way, let’s look at what sparked this question.
In a study published in the journal, Frontiers in Comparitive Psychology (or if that’s too nerdy to read, here in the popular press) researchers reveal that human infants, baby chimpanzees and baby bonobos all use the same sorts of gestures to communicate the same needs and desires. The conclusion is that we three species (chimps and bonobos are our closest primate relatives) all inherited such gesturing from a common ancestral primate who lived approximately 6 million years ago. So that leaves me wondering if those among us who seem constantly preoccupied with sex and willing to try it in its every form—M/F, M/M, F/F, M/F/M, F/M/F, F/F/F, M/M/M, etc., etc.—might have descended from the bonobo side of our common ancestor’s ape family. Following that logic on, who among us clearly descended from the aggressive, murderous, cannibalistic chimp side of our common ancestors?
What a conundrum. We can decide our closest ancestral kin was a bunch of sex-crazed bisexual lechers, or a bunch of murderous, greedy, cannibalistic thugs. Not much moral high ground in there, is there? So, if that’s all we have to choose from, where do the genes for people like Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela come from? And which side of the family do you think you descended from?
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Bonobo=pleasure seeker, me except I practice self-denial. lol
I think it would be difficult to argue that individual, lecherous humans are carrying more of some “bonobo-common-ancestor-gene” or that individual, aggressive humans are carrying more of some “chimpanzee-common-ancestor-gene” than the rest of us – especially since chimpanzees, bonobos, and humans all share that same common ancestor. If you find a study that supports that kind of genetic differentiation within our species, I’d be interested – to me, this sounds a bit off.
The lecher, the aggressor, and the rest of us are all human. Perhaps (and I am only speaking speculatively) humans have inherited some gene from that common ancestor which governs sexuality, or another which governs aggression. It’s far more likely that humans display wide variability in the expression of these genes which we have all inherited, than that individual humans either have or don’t have these genes. And perhaps these genes (supposing we share them) have less variability in expression in either chimpanzees or bonobos.
Impossible, because that’s not how human evolution occured.
From this wiki article:
“chimpanzee and human ancestry converges only about 7 million years ago”
“DNA evidence suggests the bonobo and common chimpanzee species effectively separated from each other fewer than one million years ago”
Humans had already split from the evolutionary line well before chimpanzees and bonobos diverged from each other.
@PhiNotPi I don’t think that @ETPro is implying anything that contradicts what you’ve said.
It means that the “chimp side” and “bonobo side” did not exist when humans diverged. Both “sides” would have been genetically identical, as chimps and bonobos were a single species before the Congo River formed.
I was definitely a chimpanzee in highschool football. I loved hitting hard and getting hit. I could be a real animal and get praised for it. In my twenties, I was a bonobo big time. But enough monkeying around. Now I channel either David Niven or Anthony Quinn, depending on the circumstance.
@PhiNotPi Yes, but what he is saying could be interpreted in this way: the common ancestor had “genes” for hypersexuality and aggression. Then humans split off from the common ancestor, and for the most part, lose both the hypersexuality and the aggression. The chimpanzees lose the hypersexuality, and the bonobos lose the aggression. Individual humans somehow retain some of the hypersexuality and the aggression, and these are expressing that part of the common ancestor that was retained in full by bonobos.
I don’t agree that this is possible, I’m just saying that @ETpro‘s premise does not contradict the order of divergence.
@glacial If that’s what he meant, then he shouldn’t have used the term “side of the family” as that implies two different groups of ancestors. For example, “mom’s side of the family” and “dad’s side of the family” implies two different groups of people.
@PhiNotPi Don’t blame the messenger, dude. I started to answer the question the way you did, but had to read it a few times to fully understand that my approach wasn’t getting at what he was asking.
@KNOWITALL Definitely Bonobo here too. But given all my TGIF NSFW questions, you all knew that already. Oh, and then there’s the family resemblance.
@glacial & @PhiNotPi Hey, chill. It’s Friday and I was just looking for a whimsical way to work the interesting article about primate gesturing and language learning into my usual silly TGIF question about sex. Anyway, in truth I come much closer to being as licentious as a bonobo than to being as well informed on genetics as an evolutionary biologist. I was just trying to word it so those even less aware of evolutionary theory than me could understand the question. And @glacial, you’re right that I was shooting for the genes for each being in the gene pool of the common ancestor, but distributed differently between humans, chimps and bonobos today.
We all like to monkey around once in a while!
@Yetanotheruser It doesn’t take too long a stretch with no monkeying around to drive me bananas.
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