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Does the Trayvon Martin case indicate that there should be a sort of Judicial Affirmative Action?

Asked by josie (30934points) July 19th, 2013

Affirmative Action (or Positive Discrimination, Employment Equity etc. depending on where you are from) as conceived by the late President Kennedy, is a concession to race when considering one for government jobs, or academic entrance. It is, in effect, a program where by traditional standards for placement (testing in particular) are subordinated to race.

Since race is clearly on everybody’s mind in the Trayvon Martin case, should we be considering Judicial Affirmative Action?

In this particular case, JAA might have guaranteed conviction of George Zimmerman, without regard to the normal standards of evidence and jury deliberation. Then everybody would be happy, right?

The trick would be how to get the conviction/aquittal percentages right, but some bureaucrat somewhere will be able to figure that out.

Good idea?

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WestRiverrat's avatar

What you are suggesting sets a dangerous precedent. Like most well intentioned government programs, it would be twisted to suit whoever was in power on a given day.

The FBI spent months looking for a violation of federal civil rights and racism the DOJ could try Zimmerman on. They couldn’t find anything so now the DOJ has set up a tip line on George Zimmerman.

woodcutter's avatar

@WestRiverrat You are so right about setting a dangerous precedent. In the article I posted^^ where the criminal activities by black students were covered up and hidden, ended up possibly killing T Martin. Had he been arrested and sent to jail or juvi, he wouldn’t have been out there that night facing down Zimmerman. Jail is better than dead….right? The system let him down when it was trying to help him avoid a criminal record. I think we can all conclude this time it backfired. Or at least it would have saved Trayvon in the immediate future but given what has come to light, there is no way to guarantee he wouldn’t have gotten into serious trouble at a later time. There was some chatter a forensic investigator for the prosecution took off of Travon’s cellphone. Some was identified as some sort of a possible firearm transaction. Ummm, yeah here we go. Martin was probably not going to get his High school diploma that year and turn 18 in the process. A real legal adult was about to be born. A troubled young man looking for a gun. There is no telling how many lives George Zimmerman may have saved that night.

talljasperman's avatar

Maybe justice should be blind? You only get transcripts sent to the jury…of what is said and evidence is shown in private.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Huh? So we should judge things unfairly because the victim (or for that matter, the perpetrator) is black, or Hispanic, or Asian, or some other protected minority.

Poor idea.

It is just as objectionable as the (current) US Supreme Court deciding things because there are more republican appointees than democrtic ones.

Justice is supposed to be blind, despite the last 13 years of experience.

JLeslie's avatar

@josie You’re losing it! LOL.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

Maybe. I am thinking over your proposal. Do you worry about a future wherein you might be subject to a judicial system that is not mostly white, conservative, and male? I am not threatened by that. I wonder if the op thinks that is a bad idea.

johnpowell's avatar

In college (2004) we had a talk with a guy that did the affirmative action thing at our school. It was only used if everything was equal. This didn’t ever really happen. Really, a SAT score 1 point higher voided it. So your rage is pretty much ignorance of how it works or racism. Take your pick.

Blueroses's avatar

George Zimmerman isn’t Aryan, he’s Hispanic/Jewish. Wouldn’t that make him “double minority” and cancel out the premise?

Life is far too complicated to deal in absolutes.

ragingloli's avatar

It indicates, once more, that your jury system is a farce and an abject failure of galactic proportions.

JLeslie's avatar

@Blueroses Wait, he is Jewish? Then I have to take back my response to @LuckyGuy on another Q.

JLeslie's avatar

Ok, I looked it up, because I had never heard Zimmerman was Jewish, his father did not seem Jewish to me when I saw him on an interview, and it would have shocked me that it had not come up before. From everything I can tell he was not Jewish, he is Catholic and so are both of his parents. Not that it matters, but I just was questioning my Jewish radar. Why did you think that @Blueroses?

tomathon's avatar

Zimmerman is not Jewish:

“In Manassas, where Zimmerman lived in the 1980s and 1990s with his parents and two siblings, neighbors tended to define the family based on their spiritual profile. “Very Catholic . . . very religious,” their neighbor Jim Rudzenski recalled Thursday. The children attended All Saints Catholic School on Stonewall Road through the eighth grade before going to Osbourn High School. George became an altar server and evening receptionist at All Saints Catholic Church. The Zimmermans “were known and respected in the community for their dedication and service,” said Robert Cilinski, pastor of All Saints Catholic Church.”

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Paradox25's avatar

I would answer this question with a resounding ‘no’, because I just don’t see any reasonable grounds for propagating forward with such a case. This is one of the reasons why I don’t consider myself to be a progressive, though I actually have very liberal views on most issues. I do feel that Affirmative Action legislation was brought into existence on justifiable grounds, but like with anything the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and AA laws are a great example of this. I hear progressives talking about the good side of these laws, but they frequently leave all of the bad things out of the realm of discussion.

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