NSFW How do you feel about a 14 year old virginal girl being publicly called a "whore"?
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I have no problems with any of this. Everyone is exercising their right to free speech. Condemning one would require condemning the other.
The twitter post I read just now called her an “attention whore.” I can’t find where anyone called her a whore. The father responded to the “attention whore” comment and said the person called her a whore. Big difference IMHO.
I don’t understand Twitter so it seems very inconsequential to be called anything on Twitter. Was it a stranger? It just seems like two really opposing things going on here. A 14-year old being guided and upheld by her father to go out and protest with a very controversial sign in the big, bad real life world of grownups and such. Fine. Then she gets real world backlash and he’s protecting her like she’s an innocent child. Tell her there are dicks everywhere and let it go. Why keep it going?
If you don’t want people talking about you then don’t stand on the side of the road with a sign that has the words “Jesus”, “Dick”, and “Vagina” on it.
Stupid girl.
Knowledge is power. The teen epiphany that parents can be wrong is enlightening. Now she has a choice. It’s ok.
Hm. So not only are people justified in calling her a whore, she’s also stupid? Interesting set of responses, thanks.
@Rarebear Twitter is not just friends & family. Getting involved in serious issues young isn’t for everyone.
No worse or different in principle than anybody who disapproves of the President being called a racist.
It is the language of the unenlightened, or if not that, certainly the morally uncertain.
Was she called a whore or an attention whore? In the context of the tweet or whatever you call the Twitter response, I think it makes a difference.
I’m not sure she understands the paradox of her statement. She doesn’t want Jesus in her vagina because he is not a dick.
This leads one to presume she might want anyone with a dick… even Jesus.
See the 14yr old problem here?
Now I understand and admire her cause. I just think she could be pursing and supporting it in a more affective and mature manner.
But I would never stop her or anyone else from saying anything they wanted.
@bkcunningham Comments from that article alone:
” McHale72 Valerie Ricapito • 4 hours ago
being a 14 year old slut IS commendable. the guys in her class are lining up to date her!”
“skadhithjassisdottir AfterLily • 4 hours ago
No but the slogan is how a slut would talk, so you can see where he got the wrong impression.”
” skadhithjassisdottir McHale72 • 4 hours ago
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She lets herself be used as a blow up doll.
But don’t objectivise her!”
If you can’t imagine her being called a whore on the internet you haven’t been on it very long.
And sorry I couldn’t find the exact whore wording on a single comment thread. I try not to much up my shoes with such garbage for very long.
Well, she was doing this to publicize her cause, right? So, she’s certainly getting plenty of publicity.
I think that the people hurling insults at her are being unnecessarily boorish and it reflects badly upon them and their cause.
But her sign was obviously designed to be inflammatory so I don’t see why she is so surprised that she got inflammatory responses.
And, she did get a lot if publicity long after the event so I think it was a net gain for her and her father. (although he might have done a better job of preparing her for the realities of participating in highly charged politically divisive events so she could grow a thicker skin.) Lets face it, the assholes hurling insults came off as unnecessarily crass and stupid , all told, and people like that aren’t worth feeling hurt over. Basically ignore them.
That’s pretty much what I said, @Buttonstc.
@BhacSsylan, I didn’t say I couldn’t imagine her being called a whore on the Internet. I was answering the question. I couldn’t find where she was called a whore. I found where she was called an attention whore. That is different than being called a whore.
How does she know it was an adult who called her a name?
So, you read apparently a single tweet, and had multiple examples of a single thread calling her a slut and saying she acts like a blow up doll… but you think that he somehow is lying, and that it wasn’t possibly an adult. Gotcha.
When I read the tweets earlier, I didn’t see the ones you posted, @BhacSsylan. How does a blowup doll act btw? Anyway, the question asked about her being called a whore and her blog was about her being called a whore. I didn’t say I thought she was lying. I think perhaps they were making a mountain out of a mole hill. Being called an attention whore is different than being called a whore. I don’t see that it matters if it was a kid her age or an adult calling her names, I just think she kept referring to an adult saying the insults to garner more sympathy perhaps. I don’t know.
@BhacSsylan, your anger is misdirected. I didn’t call the young girl any names. I didn’t try very hard because I don’t really care that much.
So much fun reading the comments on that web page and links. Such vitriol… so entertaining to see how folks treat one another.
@BhacSsylan “she is being targetted”
That’s what happens when one puts themselves in the cross hairs.
get it? CROSS hairs?
Hahaha OMG LOL ahahaha!
@bkcunningham Then perhaps you shouldn’t have jumped into this thread trying to pick apart his story if you can’t be bothered to even look all that hard. You’re the one who jumped in with “that’s not actually what she was called”.
@RealEyesRealizeRealLies I’ll pass on having a laugh at people saying they should have their heads bashed in, thanks.
@BhacSsylan Wow. I just read those twitter posts. Just…wow.
@Rarebear, you posted the question without having read the Twitter posts! OH NO! ~
@bkcunningham And, crazily, he didn’t react with hyperskepticism to the claims! See how that works?
Are these types of things common on Twitter? I’ve read about different controversial things being said on Twitter so I take it that it isn’t unusual for people to be nasty just for the sake of being nasty?
@BhacSsylan, you are sort of acting like the people on Twitter-minus the vulgar words. Chill friend.
Is Twitter going to replace YouTube comments as the forum of choice for all the assholes of the world?
I’ve never used Twitter a d don’t read it either but I can’t avoid hearing about it all over the news with one or another well known person making fools of themselves.
Is there absolutely no quality control on Twitter at all?
I find it repulsive.
I don’t think she’s objecting to being called a whore, I think her objection lies with the hypocrisy of adults who are adamant about protecting the lives of children slut-shaming her for speaking her mind.
And, please, with the “she started it by addressing an adult issue”. How is name calling adult behavior? How is attacking a child adult behavior? I can see disagreeing with her message or how she delivered her message, but stooping to the same behavior you object is pretty damn immature in my book.
How does she know it is adults making the comments?
@bkcunningham I know in the article she said that a man approached her and her friend at the protest and told them they should shave their head and become lesbians because they were ugly.
I missed that too. That was a pretty stupid comment. I hope she is learning from this experience.
I don’t like the name-calling form of demeaning speech directed at anyone. If you have an issue with what someone thinks or how they behave, take it up in precise speech and defeat it with reason, not insults. Name calling is childish, and often indicative of a mind incapable of anything more than schoolyard taunts.
But I am firmly in @RealEyesRealizeRealLies camp regarding censorship. Voltaire had it right when he said, “I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Oh I agree with real too. They have the right to say what they want. I have the right to say they’re assholes.
I think Jesus would cast the entire state of Texas down the stairs of the temple for being a cesspool of self-righteous hypocrisy.
@Rarebear And I’ll defend that right as well.
She’s learning a harsh lesson: there are a LOT if real live dicks out there. Especially when you stir a controversial pot.
Right. My mistake. It’s all her fault for speaking up.
I don’t fault her for speaking up at all.
But I do fault her father for not dropping her a clue ahead of time. It’s not his first rodeo. He’s fully aware of how truly over-the-top nasty some of these assholes can get. I think he’s being quite opportunistic.
A little bit of warning (or pre-insulation, if you will) could have helped to make this less personally hurtful to her.)
@Buttonstc Much of the vitriol is directed towards the father. One of the tweets threatened to kill his daughter and his wife.
I reject the blame the victim idea altogether. Death threats in the name of Jesus? We owe Christina fundamentalists violence no more respect than that we accord al Qaeda.
Well, that’s clearly over the top.
But I feel toward him the same as I do those anti-abortion protesters who have their 5–6 yr. olds carrying placards with large photos of dead fetuses on them. That is just despicable.
I have some friends who are against abortion but write to their legislators about it. They would never ever subject their kids to something like this.
This case is a bit different, of course, because she’s older and the initiative was hers. But one of a parents’ primary duties is to protect their children.
I’m not saying he should have forbidden her to do it but he most certainly could have prepared her far far better.
I mean, now he’s voiceferously defending her (and engendering a shitstorm of publicity) but if he truly cared more about her than “the cause” he would have prepared her better so that most of it would roll like water off a duck’s back.
@Buttonstc This legislation affects her now. She could be raped tomorrow and have to make some very hard decisions. I don’t see what’s wrong with her fighting for her rights with every fiber of her being.
@ETpro
I agree with you 100%. these are the type of nitwits who inspire guys with rifles to shoot abortion doctors.
Hypocrites.
@gorillapaws
Did you read where I said that she had every right to protest as she did or were you just skimming too quickly?
It was Rarebear himself who said SARCASTICALLY “it was her fault for speaking up”
Let me reiterate my reply to HIS statement:
“I don’t fault her for speaking up at all”
What part of that was unclear?
My primary point was that
her father could have made this a bit less traumatic for her by sharing some foreknowledge of just how nasty and hurtful these assholes were capable of being.
I think it caught her totally off guard. And the father could have helped in that regard.
That’s ALL that I’m saying. Really ALL (nothing more) please don’t read what isn’t there. Thank you.
I was responding to the responses above mine that implied that should have expected this response. It’s like saying a rape victim deserves what she gets because she wears a low cut blouse.
I understood that and the implied sarcasm (even absent the tilde)
:D
Evidently @gorillapaws missed it or ascribed it to me as if said seriously or whatever(?)
And for the record, I agree with you. There is no excuse for those assholes.
No probs. I had a hunch that might’ve been the case :) We’re good.
I was watching the news this morning and they were talking about the Pope being on Twitter. Out of curiosity, I did a Google search and found his Twitter messages and people’s comments back. There was just as much profanity, vulgarity, cruelty and ridiculousness on the Pope’s Twitter tweets as there were for this 14 year old virginal girl. I don’t get why you’d use Twitter if this is so type of interaction is so prevalent.
@ETpro Even adults on this site don’t handle religion & abortion rationally. I feel bad for her but her dad is the jerk
@rarebear I disagree that you can compare her voicing a very provocative statement and getting all the nut jobs out there voicing vitriol to someone getting raped. I get your point, I really do, but one is illegal and one is very legal. Yes, they share salient points and the comparison is intriguing but I cannot compare the two.
I’m a boat rocker and a shit disturber. So I know how passionately people can defend their beliefs if you challenge them.
We can complain all day about the trolls on the Internet. The question is how to we change them? The only answer I’ve ever seen that’s effective is the one we all know: Don’t feed the trolls.
@bkcunningham And you shouldn’t use Twitter if you’re not prepared to deal with (or ignore) that kind of thing.
@KNOWITALL Religious extremism is on the rise after a long spell of blessedly shrinking after the enlightenment. There are those who insist that we have to respect all religions equally, but I strongly disagree with this. If a political party or a corporation were planting bombs to destroy those they disagree with, carrying out honor killings and murdering girls for the crime of going to school; there is no way we’d shrug and say, that’s just their beliefs and they are entitled to them. Religion no more deserves a free pass than does any other area of life.
@ETpro I’m one of those people who thinks we should respect all religions or the lack thereof equally, it’s one of the foundations America was built on.
Frankly, my uncle is way into Mo Right To Life and my father wanted me killed-if anyone understands the abortion debate, I feel I do, not including my birthdate’s RvW. That being said, I’ve never marched or went to candlelight vigils or campaigned against abortion rights for women, because God did give us all ‘choice’, so I won’t take that away even if I’m personally against it.
All I’m saying is that I would never involve a child/ teen in adult situations, or with verbage like that, or allow her to be subjected to the comments on Twitter (you can close your account easily). I think the parent failed her when he should have tried to protect her innocence as long as possible, Lord knows we learn soon enough how ugly humans can be to each other as we mature. Peace.
This 14-year-old is just naive. She most likely did expected a reaction, but none that would be unpalatable. If she is going to express herself, she must accept that others will react with expression as well, in their own way.
If I’m a girl who chooses to go out to a bar, at night, populated by strangers, amongst whom are males, wearing nothing but a bra and panties; flaunting my sexuality, expressing myself as I will, then suffering the consequence of another who also wishes to express his sexuality is to be taken as a probable repercussion. If I feel invulnerable because I feel protected by an overseeing Will, expecting others to tolerate my displays, while I do not have to fear suffering any probable consequences, then I must admit this fact.
@KNOWITALL It sounds like you and I agree on this much. We’re both very committed to the right to life for those who have already been born. Seems too many of the Right to Life crowd are not. Once you are out of the womb, screw you. You’re entirely on your own and the game is king of the mountain.
@tomathon I hear you, and I understand what you are saying. I’d just like you to listen to this TED talk that puts the dominant group in focus in relation to men committing sexual violence against women.
@tomathon I couldn’t disagree with you more. A woman has a right to go where she likes without being hassled, regardless of where it is or what she is wearing.
You can be a whore and still be a virgin.
@tomathon, think about it like a “girl” who goes to a beach in a bikini amongst strangers who are drinking and whooping it up. Even if her bikini is a thong and her ass cheeks are waving hello at every dick there she should have an expectation of safety. What if she’s on a beach in a country where going topless is the norm? Or on a nude beach? Your example of clothing doesn’t work for me. I also hear what you are trying to say, but words are more inciteful than clothing-or the lack of clothing. Look at what this entire thread is about. Her words incited emotions. Peoples words here arouse anger and agreement and praise and scorn. We should be able to look at a sign that says something we disagree with without making it so personal. We should be able to look at a post we disagree with without making it so damn personal.
@Rarebear and @bkcunningham
Legally speaking, women do have those rights you mentioned, but they’re meaningless because these rights and ought to be responses are only ideals. When you depend on ideals and/or when ideals attempt to prevent/combat reality, they’re doomed to failure. Why? Reality doesn’t care.
Here is list of causes for sexual violence, link
Now out of this list, I hold that the causes for sexual violence are neurological, biological, and even possibly genetic. Do you think your womens rights or “what we should be’s” matter at all when the causes are innate? Nope. One can have an expectation of safety,but there still exists a cause and effect.
Furthermore, the victim of sexual violence is the main cause of his/her own victimization and therefore cannot blame anyone but herself. Actions cause reactions. A girl goes (action), a rapist sees and rapes her (reaction). You know how everyone says if George Zimmerman stayed in his car, then the Trayvon incident could have been entirely avoided? The same applies here. George Zimmerman created the situation with his action which sparked a reaction. Zimmerman cannot possibly claim to be a victim.
This talk sparked my curiosity.
Who are the most modestly dressed people in the world? Muslims who actively practice Islam.
Take a look at the rape statistics in a highly populated Islamic nation and compare it to the rape statistics of U.S states. I bet there are a lot less rapes in Islamic nations than in the U.S.
@bkcunningham
You’re good with finding information, want to take a look?
Ouch, walked into that one. I admit, I don’t know much about their culture. Just looked up the rape info, pretty hardcore. They throw acid at a rape victims face in Pakistan.
It’s almost shocking that these things still occur throughout the world…..
@cheebdragon From reading some of the responses on this thread, sadly it’s not shocking at all.
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