Why am I so hungry ALL THE TIME?

Could it be that it’s because some foods are designed to actually make you hungrier?

Fast food is not a good idea, Try plain greek yogurt with vanilla, artificial sweetener and berries or peaches.

The more carbs you eat, the more your body wants. Try protein and vegetables with healthy fats, like avocado. And give it a few days to get out of your system.

I’m eating the same things I’ve eaten all my life. What changed and why?

Fast food has almost no nutritional value. Your body wants & needs nutrient dense food. Try filling up your stomach with greens.

What you’re eating isn’t actually filling your stomach up.

But why did it fill me up before? I mean, if all of that was true, I should have been experiencing the same things before, and I never did.

I’m like that when I am overmedicated on my thyroid meds. Ravenous!

Yeah, but I’m not on any meds, except blood pressure meds, and I’ve been on those for several years.

Well, overmedicated simulates hyperthyroid. Are you having trouble sleeping or any other symptoms?

I do agree that if you eat foods that are more nutritious it might curb your hunger; but, since you have always eaten these things something must be different. Maybe it is stress related? You have been through a lot recently.

Yeah…I don’t know! It’s just crazy, @JLeslie! No, no trouble sleeping.

Are you bored? I eat more when I am bored. Or, when I am less productive.

Hmmmm…If I were you @Dutchess_III I’d have my serotonin level checked.
Low serotonin causes an extreme desire to eat.

M…I don’t know @JLeslie. I don’t think so. I’ve eaten when I was bored, but not because I was hungry, because I wasn’t. I was just bored. No…my body is screaming at me.

I’ll go look into that @SpatzieLover. Thanks.

Hmmm….from Wiki on Serotonin _“Research also suggests eating a diet rich in carbohydrates and low in protein will increase serotonin….” just the opposite of what folks up there are saying!

The first think that came to my mind was tapeworm. You should talk this over with your doctor.

Ha! It’s now telling me I should do ‘shrooms and LSD to increase my seriton levels! But I don’t WANT to do that!

@YARNLADY I don’t think so. I’d be losing weight rapidly.

@Dutchess_III 5HTP is a cheap, easy & safe way to boost Serotonin. Many people on the autism spectrum need it.

Are you drinking enough water? If you get hungry always drink water first. If you don’t feel full, then I would be concerned. And all jokes aside, tapeworms are real.

I know tapeworms are real, but I would imagine I’d be losing weight like mad! As it is, I’m fighting not to gain it.
I drink quite a bit of water….probably 2 32 oz cups everyday.

What foods have 5HTP in them @SpatzieLover?

O…and beer. When I drink beer it finally subsides. Mixed drinks don’t do it, just the beer.

Beer. That sounds like my moms soda diet. She says the bubbles fill her up so she eats less. LOL.

What you’d want to eat to boost your serotonin levels:
-Turkey (any foods high in Tryptophan),
-DHA rich foods (Fish/eggs)
-Avocados and other healthy fat foods(as mentioned above by @zenvelo)

5HTP is quite cheap, as are DHA supplements. Both work quickly.

Thanks.

Have you gained weight at all since this experience? Have you had any major lifestyle changes?

I’m just asking because I started working out like a madwoman and I started to become ravenous when it came to food, even though I was eating as healthily as humanly possible.

Yeah, I’ve been through a LOT, but if anything I’ve become more sedentary. :( It’s definitely not caused by burning up calories.

I’m never hungry during the week when I eat healthy foods. On my cheat day, however, I eat all day long and am constantly hungry and craving more food. I have to agree with the others that relying on fast food is a bad idea (and not just for this reason, obviously). Fast food for breakfast and lunch? Yikes. No bueno.

As for why you never had this problem until now, perhaps age is the culprit. Try eating real food instead of greasy, processed junk and see if it helps.

If that doesn’t help, see a doctor. Extreme hunger is a symptom of a few things.

Are you stressed? Stress eating is a huge trigger to ravenous feeding.

If you’d like to combat this, try eating some small, healthy snacks in between meals and drinking a bottle of water before a meal. It’ll speed up your metabolism and curb your eating.

You guys! This has been ongoing for 7 months, yet you jump on what I had to eat TODAY as though it was the culprit, although what I ate today is a very rare occurrence. I go 2, 3 weeks between eating anywhere but home and virtually NEVER twice in one day. You know how freaking expensive that would get? But we just had a nice payday, so I splurged. That bit of logic aside, I also happen to believe fast food is as healthy as the same food you’d cook at home. If I said, “I had an English muffin, an egg, a small slice of lean Canadian bacon and a piece of cheese for breakfast,” ya’ll would say that’s good, except I needed to add some fruit!

Maybe I’ve slacked off on my water consumption and didn’t realize it. These are some good suggestions guys. I’ll start on it tomorrow.

…uh, making the “same thing” at home almost always results in less calories, fat, sodium, and sugar. Just saying.

I disagree @livelaughlove21. But that’s for a different thread.

@Dutchess_III You are wrong about fast food being as healthy as the same thing cooked at home. A Homestyle Wendy’s Chicken sandwich has 540 calories and an Asiago Chicken Sandwich has 700. Whereas, a homemade grilled chicken sandwich on a whole grain roll is only 326 calories and a grilled chicken parmesan sandwich made at home is only 410.

As for the egg McMuffin (300 calories), it’s not too bad, but the sausage and cheese biscuit (570) compared to 118 for homemade.

No way could you make a sausage and cheese biscuit for 118 calories! The biscuit alone is approximately 100 calories. The cheese is approximately 100 calories. I mean, do the math. That’s 200 calories right there. And we haven’t even added the sausage yet.

As for the chicken, this source says 380. Well, that’s about right. 100 calories for the bun, no matter whose bun it is, 100 calories for the dressing, say 150 for the chicken. Throw another 50 calories in for the breading and the frying. I usually get grilled, but today I got the breaded.

@Dutchess_III Is that the kind of chicken sandwich you got? I gave you the calorie counts for the Homestye and Asiago Ranch. I got my counts off the Wency’s site too. Also none of the counts include fat or sodium levels which are much lower for homemade.

Yes, they do include the fat content. That’s why if you look up the calories in a medium order of Wendy’s fries you get 410 calories, which is far more calories than the potatoes could account for. A medium potato is only about 150 calories.

I’m saying if you make the same food at home, whether it’s grilled, fried, baked, whatever, it’s the same calories. And also, salt has no calories, or none worth counting, and why would the sodium be higher in the fast food? To what end?

If this has been going on for 6 months, I’d see a physician. Something is wrong!
You’re right to be concerned. Good luck.

I actually have an appointment tomorrow afternoon. I’ll see what he says. Thanks @Sunny2.

@Dutchess_III gets the most stubborn jelly of the year award. ;-)

The Homestyle chicken is 540 calories, the grilled is only 390. The difference is that one is not fried. That shows that they DO count the fat content.

I am! I need proof, and I’m not seeing any.

Re the sodium…since I have the grilled chicken up I’ll use that. It shows 1000 mg of sodium, which is…less than ½ a teaspoon of salt.

@Dutchess_III Keep on eatin’ it, dear.

Finding a couple of “healthier” options on a fast food menu doesn’t prove fast food is as healthy as home cooked meals. I could break down a ton of fast food vs. home cooked options into calories, fat, sodium, etc, but I’m not going to because there are about a million studies and aricles easily accessible here on the Internet showing us that fast food is unhealthy. It’s very well-researched.

There are many reasons why:
-Portion sizes
-Processed vs. fresh foods (this is where sodium comes in)
-Control over ingredients
-Ability to make healthier cooking choices (such as vegetable oil vs. olive or coconut oil)

If I take chicken, bread and fry it in vegetable oil, and slap it on a white bun (perhaps with a slice of American “cheese”) – the calories will be similar. However, at home I have other options that would allow me to eat a greater quantity of much higher quality nutrient-dense foods at the same or a lesser amount of calories.

A McDonalds burger looks exactly the same after sitting on a counter for a year as it did the day it’s made. Thanks to preservatives, of course. How can you argue that such a burger is just as healthy as one made at home? Imagine what that crap is doing to your body. I make burgers at home that come to under 400 calories. A similar burger (in size) at a fast food restaurant will run about 800+. Yeah, I can get a regular cheeseburger for 300 calories at a drive-thru, but it would be about ⅓ the size of the one I made myself.

I’m no nutrition fanatic. I eat fast food and restaurant food, too. But saying that it’s just as healthy as home cooked food is simply untrue. Fast food is unhealthy – it’s a fact.

I didn’t target the “healthier” options. As I said, I had the homestyle chicken sandwich, which is basically fried chicken, to pull out an example of the sodium content. In fact, I haven’t even looked at the “healthier” options. I’m looking at the menu items I’m most likely to order.

A McDonald’s burger does NOT look the same after sitting on a counter for years! I have heard that rumor, and it is patently ridiculous. They don’t need extra preservatives. Extra preservatives = more money = <profit. I would bet they go through their food faster, from the slaughter to the sale, than I go through mine, and the only preservative action I take is to freeze it until I need it. They don’t NEED any additional preservatives.

According to this source, there are about 250 calories in a quarter pound of hamburger meat. Add a bun for another 100. Add another 100 for each slice of cheese (make it 2 slices,) and another 50 for the condiments. That’s 600 calories, period. Doesn’t matter whether you make it, or McDonald’s does. A McDonalds ¼ pounder = 520 calories. What do you know.

Oh, and by the way, McDonalds imports their beef from other countries, such as Australia, because the fat content in over seas beef is much lower than in American cattle and doesn’t meet their pretty stringent low fat requirements. .

There is a lot of both myth and science around this, and I don’t pretend to understand even a little of it. So frankly, I’m not qualified to answer. But I do think that it is probable that some foods will make you hungrier.

Like anything, fast food is fine, if eaten in moderation.

@Dutchess_III Do you think maybe you are just craving the salt?

No. I don’t think that craving salt would make you hungry. I’m sure I get plenty in my regular diet (which does not normally consist of fast food.) When I crave salt (and the only time I have ever done so is when it’s 100+ degrees and I’m working all day in no AC) I can feel that I’m wanting salt so I get french fries and ADD even more salt!

What’s with the hunger thing @Rarebear? I’m eating the same stuff I’ve always eaten. A typical day will consist of a bagel w/cream cheese in the morning, or a toasted English muffin, and a burrito with refeer beans, cheese, cream cheese, onion, lettuce tomato and salsa for lunch. Or maybe a baked potato with cream cheese, and cheddar cheese and salsa. I don’t eat much meat. Last night I sauteed an onion and had that for dinner. (It was SO good!) It’s what I’ve always eaten.

@Dutchess_III I may not have kept a McDonalds cheeseburger for a year or more like these people did, but I’ll admit to having a half eaten burger in a bag on the floor board of my car for a few weeks too many and, other than hard bread, it looked exactly the same as the day I got it.

Believe what you wish. Researchers, doctors, and nutritionists say you’re wrong, but what do they know? This whole argument is ludicrous.

Maybe you are eating too many burritos with refeer.

Right. Reefer will make you hungry.

Whether you have always eaten that way or not, satiety comes from protein, which your diet seems to be lacking.

@Dutchess_III You’re eating a lot of carbs. Try eating more protein and fewer carbs.

RE FRIED BEANS DUDES! I am not Coloma!

@livelaughlove21 Please! I need more than a blog. Exactly WHICH “Researchers, doctors, and nutritionists say you’re wrong,” do you refer to? Since I have a bit of money to waste I will resurrect an experiment I meant to do years ago when I first heard this ridiculous rumor. I’ll take a McD’s hamburger and a home made burger and put them both out far away from the house and report my findings on their decomposition rate daily. I ask again, WHY would they need more preservatives in their food than I need in mine?

K’ Dr. Spot. I hear and obey. Sort of. Eating a piece of chicken has never filled me up like a potato roll does….

My link included more than just “a blog,” but some people only see what they want to see.

As for which doctors, researchers, and nutritionists – pretty much all of them. If you can show me a reputable study showing fast food is as healthy as home cooked food, I’d love to read it. Then we can compare it to the numerous studies found on Google Scholar showing the opposite.

Again, this argument is ludicrous. Eat only fast food for a year and see what your body looks like. My guess – not too hot.

…and who the hell is Dr. Spot?

@livelaughlove21, @Rarebear is a doctor (or he plays one on t.v.)

Yes, I called him Dr. Spot because of his avatar.

Hm. I wonder if coffee could be part of the problem. Since this thread has been on my mind, I checked myself to see how I felt when I got up. I was fine. Could eat a bit, but nothing I can’t put off. Then I took a couple sips of coffee. I only drink about ½ a cup a day (none if my husband isn’t home. I don’t even bother to make it.) Within a few minutes that hunger thing was coming on. But I don’t know if it was the coffee, or if it would happen starting 15 minutes or so after I get up whether I have coffee or not.
Anyway, I set my coffee aside, didn’t drink any more, and I’ll go without tomorrow.
I always thought caffeine suppresses the appetite….?
And there is a cantaloup in the fridge.

I’m a heavy coffee drinker and it doesn’t make me hungry at all. In fact, I eat less the more I drink. But you are not me, so who knows?

@jonsblond As I said, though, it hasn’t always been like that. It used to suppress my appetite too but obviously not any more.

Some people definitely cook at home food that is as bad as fast food. Maybe, it is all from scratch, we can argue it might not have preservatives like some fast food, but salt and fat is easy to find in many kitchens. I know people whose typical dinner menus invlolve macaroni and cheese, fried chicken, breaded meat, white gravy, brown gravy, mashed potatoes made with milk and butter, vaggies always have a cheese sauce or are fried in some manner, soups and dressings tend to be creamy, pasta and potatoes are eaten in large quantities, bread is eaten almost daily and always has either butter, mayo, or some other smear on it, sugared soda, juice, kool aid sweet tea, and other high sugar drink are commonplace.

I have a friend who won’t eat McDonald’s because she has high cholesterol, but she cooks duck breast, ribs, and steak, brats, and hamburgers often. She also makes many dishes that have a ton of cheese and cream, and thinks salad isn’t food. Her cholesterol intake would likely be less with a McD’s diet.

Having said all that, I am not saying a McD’s diet is a good thing, just saying it is impossible to make a blanket statement about food since we don’t know what people would eat instead at home.

@Dutchess_III I think more protein too, but I would suggest protein through leafy greens and other veggies. Sometimes if you make a big switch to 90’s plant based it is easier than just increasing a veggie portions a little. As long as we are still getting some of the taste of the old bad stuff we feel we are depriving ourselves when we force ourselves to eat a salad once and a while.

No, a McDonald’s “diet’ would probably not be a good thing, especially if you order the same things over and over. Plus it would be uber expensive! It wouldn’t be good to eat the same things over and over at home, either, with no variation.

I make a blanket statement about the food only when comparing like food to like food….. a fried chicken breast from Wendy’s vs a fried chicken breast you would make at home. They’d both have the same nutritional / caloric content.

I saw one blog that insisted it IS healthier to eat at home. It then compared eating a Big Mac and a super size order of fries, a cherry pie and a milk shake at McDonalds (about 1700 calories in one sitting! And WHO could eat that much food at one sitting??!!) to grilling a chicken breast, baking a medium sized potato (didn’t say a word about what might go on the potato) and a glass of unsweetened tea at home (about 575 calories.) Well, that just isn’t a valid comparison at all.

I’m going to do a little grocery shopping after my Drs appt.

Thanks guys! (Although I refuse to give up my burritos! They are SO good, and have more lettuce and tomato in them than anything. And the beans are good protein.)

@Dutchess_III In my opinion the more deceptive foods in restaurants are the ones we think should be healthy and low fat and the restaurant adds all sorts of hidden fats. Like a hink of butter melted over steak that we don’t know about or brushing butter on my grilled salmon or butter added to steamed veggies. Fried chicken pretty much is fried chicken, I agree with you.

@Dutchess_III It’s not a spot. It’s a nebula.

@Mama_Cakes Oh, I know he is. I just wasn’t aware @Dutchess_III was no longer talking to me. These @‘s sure are useful.

Sorry. Yes, “Dr. Nebula” sounds so much more…better. :)

What makes you think I’m not talking to you @livelaughlove21?

@Dutchess_III You were, at first. Then you addressed @Rarebear. I just missed the transition.

LOL! I went to bed @livelaughlove21! And I’ve been gone most of the day to the doctors. I haven’t been ignoring you.

Let’s see what your post was….“Again, this argument is ludicrous. Eat only fast food for a year and see what your body looks like. My guess – not too hot.” First, it would depend on WHAT food you ate and HOW MUCH food you ate.
And that was pretty ludicrous itself. Let’s say a person is a rabid anti-alcohol person, and when you mention you have a drink once in a while and they say, “Drink a case of Jack Daniels for a year and see what you look like!” It’s like…what?

@Dutchess_III Did any of your doctors speak to you about your constant hunger?

I didn’t bring it up. He spent a hell of a lot more time with me than was scheduled, just on this shingles thing. I didn’t want to take advantage of him.

I’m going to work on my eating habits, as you guys are suggesting.

@Dutchess_III Uh, I didn’t imply that you were ignoring me. Did I miss something here? I was simply explaining why I asked what your “Dr. Spot” comment was referring to because you did not place ”@Rarebear” before that portion, so I assumed you were still talking to me. You weren’t. That’s it.

And I’m not really sure where you’re going with the alcohol comparison. You stated that fast food is just as healthy as home cooked food. So, I said try eating nothing but fast food for a year and see what it does to your body. I didn’t say you eating fast food twice on this one particular day was detrimental to your health. In fact, I said that I, too, eat fast food from time to time. Alcohol consumption is hardly a logical comparison.

Oy, this is exhausting. I’m done here. I don’t really care enough for all this back and forth. You win. Good luck finding your answer. For your doctor’s sake, I hope he only tells you what you want to hear. If not, may the gods help him.

OK, so if a typical day went like this:

Breakfast: Egg, English muffin, slice of Canadian Bacon, a slice of American Cheese.
Lunch/Dinner: Grilled chicken, a roll, a salad.
Sounds OK to me. Of course, that’s exactly what you can find at McDonalds or Wendys. It all depends on WHAT you choose to eat.

My alcohol comparison was simply pointing out that anything, ANYthing in excess is bad. If you eat a Big Mac everyday of your life, bad. Once a month, OK.
You drink a 5th of liquor everyday, bad. You have a drink once in a while, OK.

@Dutchess_III If you eat a Big Mac everyday of your life, bad. Once a month, OK.

I never suggested anything on the contrary. In fact, that has sort of been my point all along.

OK, so what fast food were you referring to when you said if you eat it everyday for a year, you’ll look horrible?

Have you seen Super Size Me @Dutchess_III? You really need to if you haven’t. The last paragraph in the following link mentions his experiment with leaving a burger out for weeks.

http://www.alternet.org/story/142359/the_not-so-happy_meal%3A_what's_really_in_fast_food

Fast food has additives that are unhealthy. You can buy food at the grocery or butcher that does not have the additives fast food has. Making your own burger at home and buying a head of read leaf lettuce and making your own dressing is healthier than getting a burger and salad at McDonalds. The grill marks on the burgers at fast food chains are not grill marks! They are added on (I don’t know how, but it’s not by a grill) before they even reach the restaurants.

@Dutchess_III You’re arguing both sides, it seems, which is confusing. First you say eating fast food is as healthy as cooking food at home. Then you say eating a Big Mac every day is bad. Which is it?

If you eat a grilled chicken sandwich with no mayo/cheese with one of those little bags of apples and a bottle of water from McDonalds for lunch every day, that probably won’t result in a lot of weight gain. However, most people don’t search for the “healthy” options when hitting a drive-thru. The majority of fast food menu options should not be eaten on a daily basis. People don’t go to Burger King for a well-balanced meal. They go for delicious breaded chicken sandwiches with a medium fry and a coke.

Ugh, I said I was done. I’m so weak!

Even the grilled chicken isn’t the best choice for you.

the chicken breast sandwich you order may not be the healthiest choice on the menu because in fast food restaurants, chicken breasts are typically slathered with oil and butter to keep them moist, tasty and prevent sticking to the pan or grill. source

Also in the link: Dirty Fast Food Secret #3: Fake grill marks on your burger

@jonsblond Oh, I completely agree that eating the grilled chicken sandwich isn’t the best option compared to avoiding the drive-thru in the first place. However, it does contain less calories than most of the other menu options. I’m just talking about weight gain/loss, not general health.

@livelaughlove21 I was just throwing that in for @Dutchess_III since she thinks it’s just as healthy as a chicken breast you can bake or grill at home. I think you and I are on the same page for once. :)

@jonsblond Gasp! ;)

Now if you called me Dr. Smudge then it’d be more accurate.

Or Dr. Blotch.

Dr. Smear would work too.

You forgot to eat huge bowls of salad and vegetables every day.

@livelaughlove21 “You’re arguing both sides, it seems, which is confusing. First you say eating fast food is as healthy as cooking food at home. Then you say eating a Big Mac every day is bad. Which is it?” No, I’m not arguing both sides. If you made a Big Mac at home and ate that every day, along with some home made french fries and a home made vanilla milk shake everyday, that would be just as unhealthy and have as many calories as eating them at McDonalds.

@jonsblond I read your article. I tried to find some back up of the gross claims the author made about the stores. I couldn’t find any thing. I found a video on the rats running around a Taco Bell in NYC, but it was just that with no real explanation. The video was taken after hours, when the store was closed, but I couldn’t find any mention of the action that was taken when it was discovered. With no further explanation, one is left to assume (if one wishes, and too many people do) that it was a known issue and Taco Bell management ignored it. One can also assume that they shut the place down until they got ride of the rats, and scrubbed the place from floor to ceiling. But they don’t tell us so we’re left to believe what we want to believe.

They have rats in NYC. That isn’t Taco Bell’s fault.

@Dutchess_III I’d respond, but I’m not really sure what your point is anymore.

My point in showing you the article wasn’t about the rats, it was about the additives that are in fast food. Additives that are not in food you can buy at the grocery store or butcher if you know what to look for @Dutchess_III. The food you can make at home is healthier than food at fast food joints.

@livelaughlove21 It’s the same point I’ve been making. If you make the same food at home, it’s just as healthy or unhealthy as the food you buy at McD’s. In fact, it may be even less healthy as the hamburger you get at the store comes from American corn-fed, fat, antibiotic filled cows, but McD’s gets their meat from other countries, such as Australia, because American cows don’t meet their leanness standard. From the Snopes article I linked to: “American ranchers, however, claim that McDonald’s leanness standards are too high, and that if McDonald’s lowered its standards to a more reasonable level, it could easily purchase all the lean beef it needs without resorting to foreign imports. ”

I’ll go look at it again @jonsblond.

@jonsblond Why do you believe Morgan Spurlock?

@Dutchess_III Whatever you say. Feel free to believe whatever you like.

Didn’t like that evidence, did ya! :)

@Dutchess_III Feel free to believe that as well. I know you will.

About the additives, I do think some preservatives and additives are bad for our health, I am not sure if it causes weight gain, but I think it can cause other things. But, let’s say someone makes a hamburger at home; nothing is from scratch except the burger probably. Most people don’t make their own bread/buns or ketchup. Some fast food places add oil or butter to the buns, I don’t think most people do that at home, but I do know some people do. Some people cannot serve a sandwich without putting some sort of smear on it. Gross to me. I am very thankful I just naturally prefer dry foods.

I remember when I was in high school, some parents were upset because supposedly the hamburgers in school were not all beef, but had some soy added in. My sister was already going vegetarian at that point, so I had enough information to think that probably it was actually a good thing.

@Dutchess_III Why should I not believe Morgan Spurlock and what professionals, dietitians and doctors told him? Why should I believe you and the facts you get from McDonald’s website?

@JLeslie Do you make bread? When I make bread I put about a ¼ stick of butter in my bread. I also use beer as my liquid, and honey and brown sugar. I imagine making rolls would use the same ingredients.

@jonsblond The link above was from Snopes. And I would believe the McDonald’s website because they are under the microscope with the FDA. Their requirements are much more stringent than ours, in our own homes. Most food poisoning occurs at home, where the care of our food is up to us, not from the fast food restaurants. (And apparently some people leave McDonald’s hamburgers sitting out on their counters for years so they can watch it not rot!) Hey…Looky what I found. Here’s an article about the food rot rot. It backs up what I’ve been saying, and it isn’t a blog.

@Dutchess_III I only have one bread recipe I make. No butter in it.

But, you also mentioned you get a sausage, cheese, and egg biscuit. I would get it on an English muffin. I rarely desire bread that had lard or some sort of fat in it.

I trust the choices I make at the grocery and I know I can make a healthier option (and tastier) for my family. It’s possible. That’s the point I’m trying to make @Dutchess_III.

Their requirements are much more stringent than ours, in our own homes. Maybe McDonalds does a better job than you do in providing a healthy meal for your family, but not in my home. I trust my choices over McDonalds. Are you on McDonalds payroll? lol

I don’t get an egg on it! That’s just too much. Too too much. I’m fully aware of how many calories are in a sausage and cheese biscuit, and keep that in mind as I eat through the rest of the day.

I just googled fat/oil in breads. Here’s what I found ”...make one dough completely lean, make another with a lot of oil or shortening/butter (they act somewhat differently), but otherwise the same, and observe the difference: without fat, it’ll be much chewier; more fat will make it more cake-like.” It just depends on the type of texture you’re looking for.

You’re sure the ground beef you buy at the store is “healthier” than the beef used at McDonalds @jonsblond? It doesn’t really matter…it’s what we think that really matters. It’s a mind thing.

No, I’m not on the McDonald’s payroll. Wish I was. Bet they get free Egg McMuffins! :) I’m just using my own logic and common sense. I’ve never been one to jump on the band wagon just because a lot of other people are.

I can go to the butcher and get free range beef from a local farm @Dutchess_III. I’m not talking about the 1 lb. ground beef that’s in that plastic tube at Walmart. They can grind it in front of me if I want them to so I know exactly what I’m getting. I am also using my own logic and common sense. It is up to me to educate myself and know what I’m putting in my body.

@Dutchess_III Well, I watch cholesterol intake primarily, more than calories and carbs. All added fats are risky for me. To me adding fat to my bread is something I can easily go without and not miss it at all. I prefer the dryer breads anyway. I sometimes get the egg, but I cut out the yolk. Now I understand McD’s has egg whites available for sandwiches.

Good @jonsblond. Sounds like the same kind of beef McD’s uses (Range free.)

Yes they do @JLeslie. They keep asking me if I want one at the drive thru. No, I do not.

haha. Ok. It’s not, but whatever you say. I’m done here. :)

But it is. McDonalds uses free range beef imported from Australia. It’s probably not because they’re worried about us, they just don’t want to pay for fat that just going to cook out of the meat.