How do kidnappers hide people so long?

I could understand if we were talking about a very rural environment but it is interesting in a city/ close neighborhood environment. There was a case here in the CA. foothills some years ago, Leonard Lake and Charles Ng that had a rural property and kidnapped, hid, tortured and murdered many woman, men, even children. They had an underground sex slave dungeon and the property was rugged and remote. Very shocking for the peaceful community in which they lived.

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Lake

I would guess they are loners.

The recent case with the three women, and one having the kidnappers baby really freaked me out. It’s just unimagineable to me to be locked up in someone’s basement and no one ever knowing where I was.

Some guy the other day broke the taillight and jumped out in moving traffic in my town, he was driving a cab and two guys forced him into the trunk and just drove around. Crazy times we’re living in.

This is a very isolated society. How would you know if anyone kept someone locked in a room? Especially if they came and went normally?

@marinelife No fair, I asked first. ;)

@KNOWITALL Yes, I agree. I am a fish out of water again living back in “town” here after decades of rural living. My little community is not terribly crime ridden, but…there are plenty of things I am not used to having to pay attention too, like homeless people in the park. I had a guy the other day approach me and ask if he could join me at the park when I was having lunch by the pond. I firmly said “no!”

He went away, but kinda creepy, as he was.

The internet is partly to blame. When you can order food online without even having to call and talk to someone you know it’s probably possible to live without interacting with anyone, and thus logically you could keep people in your basement without getting caught… I think that’s logic anyway, it might be indigestion.

Basement, chains and duct-tape. It wouldn’t be hard. Luckily 99.999999999% of people are sane and it isn’t a huge issue.

@johnpowell Wow, you give the human race a LOT more credit than I do. I think there’s a ton of closet freak’s, not in the good way either- lol

Oh man….perverts are so abundant. lol
Just try online dating sites…even men in my age bracket, later 40’s to mid-50’s are still all about sex and perversion. lol
I recently thought I had met a really nice guy, for wine tasting excursions, fun, etc. until about the 3rd exchange when he asked me if I liked to masturbate!
Just a one line email…

Delete! You are the weakest link!
WTF is WRONG with people??? haha

With children, it seems like it would be fairly easy. You forbid them to go anywhere, you put locks on their door, board up their windows or lock them in a basement. Here in our area, a 12 year old boy escaped from a home where they chained him in a room, but he became so skinny from mistreatment that he slipped out of the chain.

I’ve also read of children and adults being kept in cages inside the house.

There is a huge difference between being a perv and locking up a woman for ten years.

Generally you are killed shortly after the rape. That is way more common and something I would be scared of if I had girl parts.

But being locked up for years.. Total anomaly. Seriously ladies.. You should carry this. I have been sprayed with it and it hurts like hell. In ten seconds the attacker will be blind.

*I was sprayed at a party trying to break up a fight. I was blind for a few hours.

@johnpowell It just happens so often, that is what creeps me out. It seems way too easy from some of the stories I’ve heard. Want that kid, oh well go get him and take him home, his parents will never find him. I mean, what kind of warped thinking IS that?! All these people can’t be mentally ill surely?

I think we define so often differently. The odds are better that your kids will be shot up at school.

Even in cases where the neighbors have an inkling that something wrong might be happening, they might develop a type of bystander effect where they assume that someone else will take care of it or that it is none of their business (this is why so many cases of domestic abuse go unreported as well.)

At least in my area, people grow up with the mindset to “mind your own damn business” and look the other way. I don’t even want to imagine the number of abductions, rapes, and cases of domestic abuse occur on a regular basis that could have been reported by a passerby or neighbor who overheard.

To make everyone uncomfortable lets get biblical with it, the story of the good samaritan is essentially the early version of what @muppetish is talking about, this is a very human attitude, maybe a terrible one, but not even remotely new. If I ignore it someone else will handle it.

Sex trafficking is big business. This private in-home deal that was going on in Chicago is the tip of the iceberg, because there are a lot more people out there who have turned sex slavery into a business. Girls, women, and even boys.

The thing is, if you eliminate the demand (such as the creepos who are willing to pay big money to deflower an 11 year old), you have more than half fixed the problem.

In this modern age, social connectivity has become separated from spatial connectivity. I don’t know most of my neighbors, and many of my closest friends live far away.

The result of this is the ability of kidnappers to hide in “plain sight.” They don’t have to be spatially isolated as long as they are socially isolated.

@KNOWITALL I was thinking this over and I realized how disconnected we are from each other. When was the last time you were in one of your neighbor’s houses? And if someone wanted to stay secluded how hard is it?

The guy committed suicide in my hometown…kind of freaky.