Is anyone bothered by anti-white racism not being taken seriously?

You can be a bigot toward a white person, but not racist. Bigotry is annoying and inconvenient, racism is insidious, systematic, and permeates all aspects of a society.

This piece helped me understand this issue more. (FYI, I’m a white female)
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/mcintosh.html

Also, this is a humorous take on the issue:
http://blackgirldangerous.org/new-blog/2012/11/27/9csnr2cmsrexpoxro1f16csj18zgcy

I see what you mean.

It’s not racist.

@tinyfaery
Can you give more detail? I gave alot of detail.

You, on the other hand, are doing what I said I was afraid would be done, which is for what I’m saying not to be taken seriously.

@LeavesNoTrace I actually find that second link’s content to be pretty offensive. The first link, though, was full of the kind of stuff I was already aware of, though, and knew to be good points, in case I didn’t make that clear enough. Like I said, if at any time my description seems slanted it’s not because I’m trying to ignore certain things.

Yes. Unfortunately those same points are used by white pride groups & we all know they have hateful agenda’s.

@LeavesNoTrace Thanks for the links. Second one was funny as hell and right on the money.

Why are we picking at an open wound? Tearing the scab off again and again.

Picking from both sides. Each have valid points. I am not going to say I know which is right. I don’t happen to believe there is a right or a wrong.

What I am wondering is if there is anything being gained by discussing who is more offended and whether or not they should be?

@FutureMemory the reason I described that second link’s contents as offensive is because it tries to blame the entire white race for what some white people did before today’s white people were born, and uses offensive demeaning stereotypes. It’s completely unproductive. I don’t see what’s so hilarious about that.

@Unbroken I wasn’t trying to make this into a contest about who’s more offended, I was just trying to make the point that if the goal is to live without discrimination, then the only way to go about it is to focus on discrimination against all races, not just everything besides the white race.

@KNOWITALL yep, those groups using those arguments takes credibility away from everyone who’s making them for the right reasons.

Some EEO employers hire a quota of minorities, construction went Mexican, & call ctrs to India. Whites aren’t top dogs.

Okay, in my job one of the things you have to do is go into large cases and cut telephone wires. When I was hired by AT&T, several old time techs told me about a common practice they would do when they had to work with a new trainee who was black.
The old time splicers would have the trainee sit next to them, while they metered the wires, and cut them. When the meter showed it was a generator pair (two copper lines with a lot of voltage), the tech would tell the trainee to try cutting it. He would receive a substantial shock. The old timer would just say “You’ll get used to it”, and meter the next pair.
The trainee would quit after a few weeks.
You think this kind of shit doesn’t happen, and that it wouldn’t color (bad pun) the opinions of everyone of that race?

@filmfann I don’t know which one of the above things you’re responding to.

@guywithanaccountnow This just triggered a thought process. Please don’t expect it to be much more then a train of thought that literally was developed 20 sec ago.

But our constitution said we should be equal. It was hypocritical but it was an ideal and a good one. My point being that discrimination that doesn’t result in a measurable inequality isn’t illegal. It can’t be monitored or changed just because our ideal utopia thinks it should.

To be honest I, as a white person use white people slurs, I also occasionally generalize according to race. I also describe people according to gender then typically age, race then physical or emotional characteristics. I don’t think it’s wrong, in fact, I find it incredibly awkward to pretend they don’t exist.

My point, there is no way we can monitor or change this behavior. It seems overprotective and maladaptive to try. People have a right to say what they think. Just as we have a right to agree or disagree. The right to equality and the right to free speech don’t contradict one another they paint a broader and more complex picture.

No, because it isn’t systemic. Anti-white sentiments don’t lead to white people not being hired, overly imprisoned, enslaved…or oppressed in any way. At best, it might hurt some feelings.

Now, do I think it’s productive? No. But I certainly understand why it exists. It will take a long time for all of us to truly be on an equal footing. Until then, there’s going to be some lingering resentment. The best thing you can do about it is to understand it and try to overcome it on a person-by-person basis.

I’m bothered by any form of racism not being taken seriously. I’m also bothered by people pretending that anti-white racism is just as prevalent as racism against minority races. I’m not accusing you of that. But I have seen others do it. I’ve ever seen others claim that anti-white racism is more prevalent than other forms. To me, that is undeniably false. But I also agree that it’s not a contest.

It’s true that due to this country’s racist past (anti-black, that is), anti-white racism is harder for a lot of people to see. It’s also harder for people see any kind of discrimination against a majority unless it is blatantly obvious (such as South Africa’s apartheid).

For the five points you brought up:

1) Agreed. Racism against whites is racism. “Reverse racism” is a stupid pointless term, perhaps even worse than “straight-acting”.
2) You answered your own question about it originating as a response to oppression. I would agree that it may not be as necessary now as it once was. It was necessary at one point, though.
3) This one I’m not sure about the premise. If this does happen, then it is of course wrong. It doesn’t matter who is making fun of someone’s culture or race. It’s wrong all around.
4) This one is complicated because it’s a matter of personal preference. Words like “nigger” are considered racial slurs because it can be proven with history and the way the word was used to oppress. “Whiteboy” doesn’t have this history. It doesn’t mean that it isn’t hurtful to some, however.
5) This one is interesting because I’ve heard my white friends talk about how “black” certain things were, such as names or behaviors. “She was so black!” is something I remember one of them saying. I guess I’m used to that kind of thing, because they also say it about white people. The same friend who was talking about a girl acting “so black” also complained about how “white” his friend’s boyfriend was. Recognizing stereotypes in itself is not racist, however.

As long as whites are disproportionately represented in positions of power and money, there will be a qualitative difference between discrimination in favor of whites and discrimination in favor of minorities. If and when the difference in power disappears, so will most of the discrimination.

I wish most of you hadn’t brought up what the reason for anti-white sentiment in America was instead of addressing the main point of my question, since I stated in my description that I already knew the reason for it and no one needed to clarify that point for me. Something tells me that if a black user had complained about racism that no one would on any level at all say “it isn’t so bad” or “what do you expect”.
Like my description said, I know that that has to do with their ancestors having had a different experience, and how accordingly it would be considered more racist to not take their claims seriously, and plus them experiencing worse racism than us, but that wasn’t really what I was asking.
My description says that anti-white racism isn’t usually discussed, and that the point of asking this question was to give it a chance to be. My intent was for once not to focus so much on everyone else’s side of the story. Not to ignore theirs, but not to make it the topic today, since it gets enough representation everywhere else race is discussed.

@guywithanaccountnow
Anti-white racism isn’t discussed much because people don’t like to talk about it, it’s awkward even when it’s true because you sound like a ‘racist’ picking on a minority (again). My friend from Kansas told me she can’t go to Walgreen’s at night or Walmart and when she moved here she was suprised at our lack of ‘danger areas’.

I’m not a racist and don’t want to be perceived that way, but I do know what you mean.

Reverse racism is inaccurate since you are right its just racism no matter which direction it is being directed.

I think the term reverse was made up just to differentiate the direction since it is “assumed” when you say racism that it whites against some other group.

The only legalized racism is in reverse. Affirmative action for example.

And the vast majority of public displays of racism, e.g. Farrakhan are in reverse. And these displays are tolerated but only in reverse.

I think this tolerance of the reverse is ludicrous. It allows certain undesirable behavior from one group but in reverse it is not allowed. e.g. various N word fiascos. And I think it further divides us. Undesirable behavior is just wrong. If you are outraged by the N word then don’t use it. No matter what your skin color. If you are outraged by a white on black crime be equally outraged in reverse.

I think what needs to be taken into account is the difference between individual bigotry and systematic racism that permeates society, often just enough below the radar to go unnoticed. White privilege is real. As a white female in NYC, I’ve become more aware of this than I ever was growing up in a predominately white small American town.

Being white doesn’t mean your life is easy or that people kiss your a** but it sure means you don’t have to deal with a lot of inconveniences and challenges people of color often do based on unfair negative perceptions. To me, the occasional ignorant jerk calling me a “cracker” or “white girl” doesn’t begin to equal the challenges I would face if I had been born a different race, even with the same mind and soul as I have in this body.

Honestly, reverse racism is a lie. When examining the issue, try to avoid the knee-jerk “hurt feelings” response and try to see the reality.

First of all, do some research on those who first conined the term “white privlege” and you will discover that they are all lilly white rich people who live in communities which are 95%+ white. Truly the voice of the common man!

Secondly, making it seem like being called a cracker is “something only a BIGOT would care about!” is a way or normalizing hatred of whites. I don’t really care what some asshole Marxist college professor says, if a black guy calls me a cracker, he’s getting his fucking teeth knocked out.

Thirdly, with all the noise given to the supposed advantages whites have, very little thought or discussion is given to any data which contradicts the accepted norm. According to cenus data from 1994: Black women with high school diplomas earn 3% more income than white women with high school diplomas.

- Black women with some college education earn 6% more income than white women with some college education.

- Black women who are college graduates earn 7% more income than white women who are college graduates.

Of course these and other such stats get ignored because they don’t fit into the progressive ideas of whats acceptable for us to talk about.

Finally, to actually address the topic: yes, it’s bothersome. For example in the same week that a black teen was shot while assaulting a Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer, a black male gunned down another so called “white hispanic” with FAR less provocation than Zimmerman had, and the media was almost entirely silent. No word on if the shooter resembled Obama’s son. (source: http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/black-male-guns-down-white-hispanic-with-mental-capacity-of-12-year-old-national-media-curiously-disinterested/)

Adding to my last post, it’s also important to learn the medias new code words:

- A “hate crime” is a white woman yelling racial slurs on a bus
– A “random attack” is a black man beating a white person unconscious while screaming about how much he hates whites.
– A “youth” is a black person doing something stupid/and or violent, even if the person in question is in their 30’s.

But just remember, bigot, as you are getting your face stomped in with no provocation, that since you have a loosely defined set of “privileges” that it’s not racism and you have no right to complain. (Not that anyone would listen, anyway, since most mainstream media outlets wouldn’t touch the story.)

I’m bothered about all forms of racism.

@Nada86 I didn’t insinuate that being called an anti-white is something only a bigot would care about. I find it offensive too but don’t see it in the same light as the N-word. I was just making a distinction between bigotry and systematic racism.

@LeavesNoTrace My problem with “systemic racism” is that the people who have brought this term to the forefront are zealots. They claim to be “academics” but when anyone presents data or experiences which are contrary to their worldview, they either accuse you of being racist or clap their hands over their ears and stop listening. That’s not being an academic, that’s being a zealot.

“I have been known to wear university-branded clothing when I am shopping for real estate, hopefully drawing on the cultural value of colleges and students to counter any assumptions of me as buyer. A friend straightens her hair when she is job-seeking. Another friend, a Hispanic male, told me that he shaves all his facial hair when entertaining white clients to signal that he is respectable. Although stereotype threat—the anxiety that you are conforming to negative assumptions about your social group—can occur to any member of any group, it occurs most frequently, and with more dangerous consequences, for groups that have more and stronger negative beliefs attached to them.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2013/09/jonathan_ferrell_shooting_death_the_perils_of_stereotype_threat.html