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Are you the master of your fate?

Asked by Hypocrisy_Central (26879points) September 23rd, 2013

The last line in Invictus by William Earnest Henley says:

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishment the scrolls,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

Where you are in life if you are truly the master of your fate, is where you directed yourself to be or allowed it. How is that working for you? The place you are now are you 100% happy with it? If you are not, and you are the master of your fate, why didn’t you chose a better outcome, or allowed a lesser outcome to happen to you?

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talljasperman's avatar

~Chaos is the master of my fate.
The Alberta government is the master of my fate.
Mac and cheese tastes the same whiter rich or poor.

ragingloli's avatar

Control is an illusion. The universe decides your fate.

ragingloli's avatar

@talljasperman
I have foreseen this.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@ragingloli Control is an illusion. The universe decides your fate.
By that are you saying that if your fate is to be a power attorney no matter how little you worked at being one you will somehow end up an attorney anyhow? If fate says you are to be a bus driver instead of a star in the NBA you can put in 10,000 hours of practice and shooting baskets but will never be good enough to make the draft of get picked up on a team and end up driving the bus?

ragingloli's avatar

Oh ye of little neuron density.
That is not what I am saying.
If my fate were to be a “power attorney”, every step towards that would also be part of fate.
All of the training, the learning, the experiences needed for it, even the motivation and the will to achieve that goal, are all part of that fate.
Every single action you take, every decision you make, every thought you have, are all part of your fate, because they are not isolated instances, but are all effects following a cause.
If you really think that fate means that the universe lets you run wild with your free will, then says fuck you, swings its magic wand and puts you into a costume, then your thoughts are shallower than I thought.

Rarebear's avatar

There is no such thing as “fate”.

Blondesjon's avatar

No, but I am fated to be my master.

Sunny2's avatar

No. Shit happens.

zander101's avatar

@ragingloli Could have not said it better…...

YARNLADY's avatar

I believe in choices with a random factor thrown in.

Coloma's avatar

50/50…some choices, some fate.
Life’s a crap shoot and the best laid plans can go awry, I’m a great example of that right now. lol
The road to hell and all that jazz.

ETpro's avatar

My wife insists I am, and that the only reason I’m not a multimillionaire is because I haven’t chosen to be. She says I have nobody to blame but myself. I’ve pointed out to her that if that’s so, then she must have decided not to be a multimillionaire either, but she says her failures in the game of life are all my fault.

From that disclosure, you may draw your own conclusions as to my mastery of my own fate.

Coloma's avatar

@ETpro Hmmm…so how is it that a bright and logical guy such as yourself is married to a master bullshitter? lolol

ETpro's avatar

@Coloma That, I take full responsibility for.

Coloma's avatar

^^^ Haha…oh marriage…sometimes. :-)

cookieman's avatar

I am. In fact, you could say I’m a master-fater.

PhiNotPi's avatar

I control 1/10th of my fate and 1/10th of the fate of nine other people.

drhat77's avatar

^^ Math whiz, you guys better listen to him when he spouts numbers

Adagio's avatar

Anyone who believes they are 100% master of their lives should take off the blindfold.

gondwanalon's avatar

It is a little difficult to be master of one’s fate when one’s government has one’s gonads in a vice.

Haleth's avatar

There are a few instances in my life where chance or things outside my control made a big difference in the way things turned out. Some of these events changed the way my personality developed. So any decision I make now has some roots in chance or fate.

tups's avatar

No, I am not the master of my fate. And that’s the way I like it. If I was in control of everything, where would the excitement be?

But it’s a nice poem.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@Adagio Anyone who believes they are 100% master of their lives should take off the blindfold.
Apparently William Earnest Henley believes that. Would you tell him to wake up and taste the oak bran?

@ gondwanalon It is a little difficult to be master of one’s fate when one’s government has one’s gonads in a vice.
Maybe the stars or the cosmos decided your “boys” be in a vice~ ;-)

ragingloli's avatar

“Apparently William Earnest Henley believes that.” And he was a fool to believe that.
Newton believed in Alchemy, and Arthur Conan Doyle believed that Houdini was an actual wizard.

Coloma's avatar

@gondwanalon Gonads AND Ovaries!
Governemt is big spaying a neutering project. lol

downtide's avatar

I’m in control of my own decisions but ultimately we’re all at the whim of a capitalist society. If everyone was 100% in control of their own fate, the result would be anarchy.

Adagio's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central While I believe we can be in control of our response to circumstances, I don’t believe we can be 100% master of our fate. I had never heard of William Ernest Henley and his poem Invictus, I do notice that in one verse he says “In the fell clutch of circumstance”, yet in another he says “I am the master of my fate”, I feel these two lines contradict each other but perhaps he felt his response to circumstances made him master of his fate, and perhaps he was right……

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