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Adirondackwannabe's avatar

Did you think gay or lesbian sex is "liberal behavior" and what are your thoughts about the case of the FL 18 year old girl that had sex with a 14 year old as opposed to the male teacher in Minnesota having sex with the 14 year old girl that killed herself.?

Asked by Adirondackwannabe (36713points) October 4th, 2013

Two cases of consensual sex, one a 18 girl with a 14 year old girl, and a male teacher with a 14 year old girl. She gets serious prision time, he gets 30 days. So far. What gives.

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livelaughlove21's avatar

Huh? What case? Links or names would be useful at a time like this.

anniereborn's avatar

It’s not consensual if one of them is 14!

filmfann's avatar

The difference is Florida and Minnesota.

14 is too young to be having sex. Most cannot deal with it.
Both offenders should be doing serious time.

syz's avatar

@livelaughlove21

Teacher case
Underage consensual sex case

JLeslie's avatar

14 and 18 isn’t ok, it doesn’t matter what type of sex, especially if they are 4 grade years apart. I was 15 when I had sex with my longterm boyfriend who was 18, but we were one grade apart. In school you generally are more your grade than your age. 14 year olds is very young to me to be having sex with a much older teen, 15 is pushing it.

glacial's avatar

Did you mean to log in as Hypo Central, and forget? :P

livelaughlove21's avatar

@JLeslie You were only one grade under an 18-year-old at 15? How did that happen – were you really smart or was he really dumb?

oneSasyRN's avatar

It must be the state or who you know to let those people off….at that young age these kids are not emotionally mature enough to make that decision or commitment. What the heck is wrong with the mentality of a person that wants to have sex with a kid anyway?

OpryLeigh's avatar

I think the teacher is more at fault because he has a duty of care to the student even though both probably took advantage.

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

@Leanne1986 And he gets 30 days and she gets a long sentence. What?

marinelife's avatar

Sex is sex no matter what kind. And sex between a 14-year-old and an 18-year-old is statutory rape. WHo it is doing it and what they did does not matter.

OpryLeigh's avatar

@Adirondackwannabe That seems very strange indeed.

DominicX's avatar

Okay, the word “consensual” might be contentious, but I think the point of this question is not whether 14 and 18 is “okay”, but the fact that one case of statutory rape is punished with prison time and one is punished with 30 days in jail and that the reason one of them was punished more severely might have been because it was a same-sex incident. The only way to find out if that’s true is to look at the law of the state. Does Florida punish same-sex statutory rape more harshly than opposite-sex?

JLeslie's avatar

@livelaughlove21 I was a year ahead (I started K when I was 4) and he was a year behind (they started him a year late because he didn’t speak English when he came back to America at age 4, and that was just what they did then, so he started K late). So basically the majority of my peers were 16 at the time and the majority of his grade was 17, so that would be one grade apart. Add in when our birthdays fell and he was 18 and I was 15 when we started having sex. I was closer to 16, about 15 and three quarters.

@DominicX Good point. I just skimmed the article that was linked and I think jail time for the 18 year old is too harsh if it can be shown she wasn’t preying on the younger girl. I think the circumstance really matters. I don’t think the article mentioned if the 15 year old (was it 15 or 14? They use both ages in the article) felt she was taken advantage of, I think that should factor in, along with whether the 18 year old is still in high school or not. It says it was concentual. The teacher having sex with a 14 year old, he should go to jail for a very long time. Sickening.

Can it even be rape under the law if it is female female sexual contact? Or, is it just some sort of molestation? I guess if she entered her in any way it is.

linguaphile's avatar

Montana (not Minnesota) is pretty lenient when it comes to certain crimes like abuse and DUIs.

zander101's avatar

Very interesting question, I applaud you for inquiring to the masses concerning a controversial issue, the first thing I want to point out is what we all already know that these are 2 different circumstances, however yes it does come to light due to issue of homosexuality. I do feel that the laws concerning the two females may be perceived as more taboo not considered liberal behaviour which may lead to why the offender in the case may have gotten a harsher sentence than the teacher in the other case.

Pandora's avatar

He definitely should get more than 30 days. But there has to be a line draw when it comes to age differences. She is 18 and even though she is young herself, she is old enough to have understood and know about statutory rape. What if the child was 13 and 18, then everyone would be crying fowl. If it was in reverse, what would her parents thought? They probably would’ve pressed charges.

The 14 year old is easy to be manipulated. I remember when I was 14 and in high school. The young girls my age would do anything to be dating a senior. And many would even had sex with a senior if they asked because it made them feel adult like. I remember a lot of girls being pressured to have sex because they felt if they didn’t give it up they would be labeled a tease and a slut. Not every girl loses her virginity because of true love. Many at that age are tricked an manipulated. That is why the law exists.

I remember at 18 being sexually harassed by an older co-worker and then having one of my bosses try to grope me in the storage room. Luckily both times I was saved by other co-workers who knew I was to inexperienced to know how to handle the situations. So they handled it for me.

Everyone who knew me back then thought I was the most mature 18 year old they ever knew. But when it came to sexual attraction, I was extremely naive and would even loose the ability to thing. I would go into full panic mode.

Seek's avatar

The main difference is that teachers have good lawyers that are paid by well funded unions, and 18 year old lesbian high school students don’t.

The girl should have known better, and the teacher should rot in prison. Or whatever hell is currently available. The teacher/student relationship is a sacred trust in my eyes, that should not be broken.

bkcunningham's avatar

Source

Unprecedented public fury has engulfed Yellowstone County District Court for the past six weeks.

A former Billings high school teacher is free on probation after serving just 31 days in prison on a conviction of raping a 14-year-old student. That unconscionably lenient sentence is being appealed to the Montana Supreme Court.

The young victim is dead, having ended her own life four years ago after charges were filed against Stacey Rambold.

Those facts indicate the great injustice in this case.

However, District Judge G. Todd Baugh’s own words spoken on Aug. 26 made the injustice much more grievous.

In sentencing Rambold to 31 days in prison after the prosecutor argued for 10 years, Baugh stated that the victim was “older than her chronological age” and that she was “probably as much in control of the situation as the defendant.”

The judge’s blaming a 14-year-old victim for the crime of a 49-year-old man outraged people in Billings and around the nation.

Two days later, Baugh apologized. He also determined that he erred in setting a sentence illegally low and attempted to resentence Rambold. However, the Montana Supreme Court majority stopped the resentencing because Baugh no longer had jurisdiction to change the sentence.

Yellowstone County Attorney Scott Twito and Attorney General Tim Fox initiated an appeal of the sentence. The most urgent response needed to this miscarriage of justice is an effective appeal.

But the matter of Baugh’s conduct also warrants further action. Even after apologizing for his sentencing remarks about the victim, Baugh again cited the girl’s statements as evidence that Rambold deserved a break.

In a “sentencing addendum” filed Aug. 29, Baugh cited the victim’s 2008 interview with police and her 2009 interview with the defense attorney as “relevant information” supporting a suspended sentence for Rambold.

As previously stated in this column: It doesn’t matter how Cherice Moralez characterized her contact with Rambold. She was a child, incapable of giving consent under Montana law. The crime is more egregious because Rambold violated his position of authority and trust as a public school teacher who had a duty to protect his student.

The judge’s thinking revealed in his own written and spoken words is evidence of bias against certain female victims. A judge cannot be effective if he is perceived as biased.

Elected in 1984

Until recently, Baugh has had a distinguished judicial career. He became a District Court judge in 1984 after winning a contested race for the new fifth judgeship. He has been re-elected without opposition four times to six-year terms.

A complaint filed last week with the Montana Judicial Standards Commission seeks to have Baugh removed from office. If the commission made such a recommendation, the Montana Supreme Court would make the final decision.

The outcome of that process is uncertain and slow.

End the tumult

Baugh can end the tumult. With 15 months left in his current term, now is the time for this 72-year-old judge to retire. We call on the judge to step down as soon as his successor can be appointed as provided by Montana law.

Gov. Steve Bullock soon will have the duty of appointing a new Yellowstone County District judge to replace Judge Susan Watters whose nomination to the federal bench awaits a vote in the U.S. Senate. If Baugh retires, we expect a large number of good applicants would step forward to fill two District Court seats. The candidates would be vetted by the Judicial Nomination Commission and the governor would make appointments from among the commission’s recommendations. Appointed District Court judges would have to run for election in November 2014.

Retirement now would be the most honorable conclusion for Baugh’s long judicial career.

Seek's avatar

@bkcunningham – I seriously want to vomit. Paedophile teachers, victim blaming judges… poor girl never had a chance.

Pandora's avatar

(oops, foul, not fowl the bird. My brain is having spelling glitches lately. Also, and, not an, and think, not thing. )

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