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Progressives, should Bernie Sanders run for president?

Asked by LostInParadise (32183points) November 17th, 2013

Bernie Sanders has said that he may run for president if no other progressives run. He implied that he would not run if Elizabeth Warren runs.

I think it is a good move. I am not very keen on voting for Hillary Clinton. She is too establishment. I would vote for Warren over Clinton.

The Democratic party has strayed too far from progressivism. The middle class is being squeezed and Obama has not done much more than pay lip service. If Warren does not run and Sanders runs as an independent, it may force Clinton to take a more leftist leaning stand, assuming that she is running. If Clinton did not respond much, I would vote for Sanders, even though some might see it as throwing a vote away and allowing a Republican to get in. I think it is more important for progressives to take advantage of the chance to express their viewpoint and show their numbers.

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janbb's avatar

I am hoping to see a Clinton – Warren ticket but I understand what you are saying about Sanders. I would vote for him in a primary – not sure as a third party candidate..

elbanditoroso's avatar

He can run if he wants, but he doesn’t have a whisker of a chance of winning. It would be a waste of his (and democrats) time and money. He has zero name recognition. It might make certain left wing groups happy, but it’s unrealistic in every way to think he has a chance.

OneBadApple's avatar

But he was the greatest running back the Detroit Lions ever had…..you gotta give him that…

glacial's avatar

Pointless. He could never win.

MadMadMax's avatar

He is an honorable man but I doubt he’s taken enough bribes that would ensure him the financial support of corporate pacs and the Koch Brothers.

I would vote for him on a dime. I worked on his campaigns before and he truly cares.

ETpro's avatar

He’d have my vote. So would Elizabeth Warren. She’s a true fighter for the American dream.

MadMadMax's avatar

Elizabeth Warren is tfantastic

augustlan's avatar

I love the guy, but I don’t think he has a shot at winning.

tom_g's avatar

Sure. He’s great. And so is Warren. But so are tons of people. These people are never going to be elected, and if they were, would they be able to accomplish anything worthwhile?

You’ll have to excuse me. I am in full-on “electoral politics is a distraction”, “the entire economic and political system is broken” mode. When it matters, however, I’ll remember the importance of supreme court nominees, and I’ll get back on the “lesser of two evils” bandwagon.

LostInParadise's avatar

To all of you. It is not about winning the next election. The economic distribution is more skewed than it has been since the Great Depression and neither party seems to care. The Democrats are much too beholden to Wall Street. Something needs to be done to shake up the party, even if it means losing the presidency. What the Democrats need is the equivalent of what Barry Goldwater was for the Republicans. He got trounced in the presidential election, but changed the party dramatically..

MadMadMax's avatar

I signed up for his newsletters ages ago. I always read them. He inspires me. He makes me feel as if there is hope for this country even though I now live in not only a red but a Tea Party state that runs opposite to Vermont on virtually every issue.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/the-great-moral-issue-of-our-time

OneBadApple's avatar

Our system has become irretrievably rigged against the middle class, and this will never change, no matter who is elected, or where or when that is.

We may as well just make some popcorn and sit back, relax and watch ‘Glee’ until the banks send someone to repossess our TV sets.

P.S. I’ve never seen ‘Glee’......but one can assume that it’s time better spent than watching C-SPAN.

ETpro's avatar

@OneBadApple Yeah, the system is rigged. But lets go over the list of political systems of the past that would never change. Which ones remain 100 years later unchanged? NONE!

It will change. It’s up to “we the people” to decide how to change it, and what to change it into.

OneBadApple's avatar

@ETpro I’m sorry, but I truly believe that regular people have finally and intentionally been made powerless and irrelevant (except for being a source of money), tricked and swindled by government and the banks, or when clever marketing people keep injecting those intravenous lines into our bank accounts with total impunity.

It would be wonderful to someday find out I was wrong…but I’m not holding my breath…

ETpro's avatar

@OneBadApple I understand your frustration. I share it. But realistically, when since our early hunter gather days did individual, working-class people have more power than in modern times? Under the Pharaohs? In Ancient Rome? How about the serfs in the Dark Ages. The proletariat in the time of King Louis XVI or King George III?

No, we are far freer today than in the past. Dr. Martin Luther King was right when he said, “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” It has been doing so since the earliest civilizations, and there is no reason to think that, after 5,000 years, the overarching trend will suddenly reverse. There are plenty of greedy bastards opposing the move toward justice, but they will find that they are on the wrong side of history.

OneBadApple's avatar

@ETpro Your point is very well-said, and you are right. Looking at everything through the prism of human history, moral course-corrections have always occurred, even if this took hundreds of years.

Don’t misunderstand, I am very happy to live in the time which we do. I just don’t see much course-correction happening in our lifetimes.

Anyway, thanks for putting things in a more positive perspective. It actually made me feel a little better about our future.

Well, maybe not our future, but somebody’s future…

ETpro's avatar

@OneBadApple Yeah, I hear you. If anything, it’s going in the wrong direction in much of the world today. Unfortunately for us, these things often take many generations to resolve, but resolve they always do.

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