@Seek_Kolinahr The least you could do is stop spreading ignorance and blaming me for it, I gave you all the information you needed to research it all, but now I have to correct your mistakes.
The Annals are an account written by Tacitus of what happened throughout out the historical years.
The paragraph that I have given was from the time AD 23–28 that is a time frame when Jesus could of been alive since calculations put Jesus on earth between AD 0–33.
Even if you had of read them you would find out the speech is in reference to the fact that Spain sent a Representative to the Senate with a request to erect a temple in honour of Tiberius and his mother. The quote I gave was Tiberius responding to the rumor. He also makes note further in the reading that:
”But though it may be pardonable to have allowed this once, it would be a vain and arrogant thing to receive the sacred honour of images representing the divine throughout all the provinces, and the homage paid to Augustus will disappear if it is vulgarised by indiscriminate flattery.”
In the Annals Tacitus continues with:
’Henceforth Tiberius even in private conversations persisted in showing contempt for such homage to himself. Some attributed this to modesty; many to self-distrust; a few to a mean spirit. “The noblest men,” it was said, “have the loftiest aspirations, and so Hercules and Bacchus among the Greeks and Quirinus among us were enrolled in the number of the gods. Augustus, did better, seeing that he had aspired. All other things princes have as a matter of course; one thing they ought insatiably to pursue, that their memory may be glorious. For to despise fame is to despise merit.”
But the fact that Tiberius did not want to build a temple because “These sentiments of your hearts are my temples, these my most glorious and abiding monuments.”
Like I personally can only think of the Garni Temple as an example at this moment of a standing archeological monument dedicated to the Roman God of the sun.
“Those built of stone are despised as mere tombs, if the judgment of posterity passes into hatred.” He basically sees no use of comparing himself to a stone structure which in the future is of no importance other than a tomb because he himself is a mortal with functions of humanity and the sentiments of the heart are his temples which are his most glorious and abiding monuments, For to despise fame is to despise merit. Which basically proves the symbolism I was talking about because Gods were compared to stone structures. If you can’t see it you are even more ignorant than I thought.
Well you won’t so I will just end up giving you the link lol but why not look up the symbolism on stone in the bible if you are so interested?
Tacitus completes the leg of this part of the book by giving his opinion on Tiberius throughout his reign as emperor which he states:
“On his return from Rhodes he ruled the emperor’s now heirless house for twelve years, and the Roman world, with absolute sway, for about twenty-three. His character too had its distinct periods. It was a bright time in his life and reputation, while under Augustus he was a private citizen or held high offices; a time of reserve and crafty assumption of virtue, as long as Germanicus and Drusus were alive. Again, while his mother lived, he was a compound of good and evil; he was infamous for his cruelty, though he veiled his debaucheries, while he loved or feared Sejanus. Finally, he plunged into every wickedness and disgrace, when fear and shame being cast off, he simply indulged his own inclinations.”
IMHO, After I have read the bible, it sounds to me like Jesus actually knew what he was talking about in that time and was a well educated man and someone which I now know was to be justifiably feared at that time, heck I have extensively researched this, so I am not going into this with my eyes closed so to speak, and have found evidence that, for me, backs it up.
I am actually offended that non believers take such low level attacks on Christian individuals as myself who are not here to proselytize but I am doing nothing more than educating.
I actually believe that there are Christians out there who do this, those are the ones who speak in bible quotes or go knock on doors but the non believers are just as to blame of the offense discussed in the question, the only difference for the non believer is to gain other non believers, otherwise why would there be literal ignorance of the history of Jesus other than to cast your cause at the ‘heads of babies’.
Oh no I said it and it’s now on the internet so that must make it barbarically true.
Atheists just want to make babies ignorant?
Ignorance is bliss in the Jesus department after all.
Also, considering what I just said..@glacial if you want to scrutinize me for “rationalizing”, so be it. I will take that as a compliment. LOL.
@ETpro “That is the kind of Christian.” I actually thought we got through all this personal attack stuff on Christians and you wanted to communicate with them, and that you were willing to move on and forward from this, but I can see that will be an uphill battle for you, I forgive you, God gave me that greatest gift.
We have a choice, that is my point.
I am not making anyone choose.
If the evidence is overwhelming that is not my problem.
If you are reading between the lines, that is also not my problem.
If you have no clue and are just responding to get a rise, that is also not my problem it can become my problem depending upon how I choose to respond.
If you don’t like my response that is not my problem.
Again, ignorance is bliss isn’t it?
Such indeed were the precautions of human wisdom.
Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.
~Tactius, The Annals
Yes killing Christians in this brutal way please don’t forget to mention that non believers!
So far along with the fact that, even though as non believers, who don’t even believe in the bible, seem to have no issue ‘cherry picking scripts’ from it as their own personal gain to their own ignorant stance!
Wow. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
And still in the historical text I haven’t found anything on bashing babies heads with rocks.
ATHEISTS ROCK!!! Another pun.
