Should penalties for crimes against pets & animals by humans be more harsh?

I reckon so. Yeah, that’s all I’ve got.

@DWW25921 Would you ban a celebrity if they did it though? Many people forgave Vick pretty quick.

Yes I think they should be harsh. I am not sure of the laws regarding cruelty to animals in USA, UK or anywhere else. I feel though that once having abused a pet a person should never be allowed to own a pet again.I think that stands in the UK. They should also sit in prison for it, as per human crimes.

Cats must be allowed outside. Oh wait.

This is well-intentioned but a bit misguided.

I’m not opposed to harsher penalties in some of those cases, but I am in general opposed to any minimum sentence for anything. And tethering in a truck be or a vehicle? That’s for the animal’s safety so they don’t jump out into traffic.

@KNOWITALL Ban? No. I would chastise them but give them an opportunity to prove themselves. Make them volunteer in a shelter cleaning up puppy poop for a few months. Than we’ll talk about forgiveness.

The punishment baseline should be equal to those imposed for crimes against humans, and then scale upwards based on the cuteness of the animal.

@DWW25921 Part of my reasoning is that animal cruelty is a psychological pre-cursor to some serious issues, especially in children.

I posit that adults who commit crimes against animals should never be allowed to own or house-sit or have one-on-one contact with any ever again. And I don’t think that’s too harsh.

But I also believe that celebrities are people just like us, that should do REAL TIME instead of country club prison for a couple days, too.

@ragingloli I agree that cuteness plays a role. I mean someone who is mean to a possum should get a $30 fine as opposed to someone being mean to a kitty should get 5 years hard labor breaking rocks in a quarry.

@KNOWITALL I think you’re right. Psychopathic behavior tends to escalate.

Death penalty for cat abusers.

Would it change your collective mind if I told you rats, pigeons, crows and pigs are among some of the most intelligent? Some of which are considered pests.

http://list25.com/25-most-intelligent-animals-on-earth/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24628983/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/smartest-animals/

@KNOWITALL
The probability that you could change the minds of the anthropocentric chauvinists is very low.

I have this problem equating animals to humans.

people had problems equating blacks to humans

I looked up the whole Ellen thing since I was doubted she’d abuse an animal, and it what she did doesn’t seem very bad at all. She gave the dog to a family that appreciated him more.
From your link:
”* it’s animal abuse to give a dog away to another person when you said you would not do that” I know it was against the paperwork, but should you really call that abuse? Even neglect? It seemed like a stretch. I did some research but am I missing something?

Here’s a question I asked a while ago that deals with some of this.

@dxs To me, you have to put the animals welfare above your own laziness. In the case of rescue animals, they often do follow up or ask you to sign specific ‘rules’ because the animal has been abused or neglected or abandoned before.

I’m sure Ellen thought she did the right thing in finding a new home for the pet, but like my local one here, if the dog was loose the microchip registry and rescue would have no knowledge of the new adopter’s contact information. It may not seem like much to you, but for me, getting my pets back to me asap if they’ve gone missing is VERY important and worth my time.

Even my bird rescue group does follow up, it’s pretty normal.

So should PETA be outright banned for destroying animals?

@zenvelo Yes, I’ve seen them/ people do some horrible things in the name of animal rights so for them to euthanize animals seems very odd and hypocritical.

@zenvelo Fuck PETA.

@uberbatman Why do you feel that way? Trapping here in my area is a good thing, but I know they’ve been part of the ‘no fur’ campaign and other questionable situations.

Yes, much harsher. Nobody is so ignorant as to not KNOW when they are being cruel, negligent or not caring for an animal properly. A horse doesn’t become 200 lbs. underweight overnight. Humane euthanasia is always preferable to a life of suffering.

Anyone that is convicted of serious animal abuse should never be allowed to keep a pet again, of any kind, and they should do some hard time.

“Cruelty is defined as an animal put or forced into a situation that causes harm or is not natural.”
Minimum 6 years.

So, we apply a standard to PETS that’s 10 times worse than the law regarding “human BABIES?”

How realistic is “a situation that causes harm or is not natural,” as a standard??

Grandstanding. Not that there isn’t a place for hyperbole, but not in support of a question, IMO.

There is a link between abuse of all kinds. A child abuser is most likely an animal abuser too, and vice versa. Cruelty, neglect and abuse is a far reaching issue. Kick your dog, beat your wife, slap your kids, cookies and milk.