What do Evangelical Fundamentalist Christians believe happens to Jewish people who remains true to "the covenant" and does not convert, when they die?
It’s a simple question and even if a Christian here is not a fundamentalist evangelical, they may know how those people view Jews and what they believe in reference to Jews.
I was told “Jews are the slaves of God.”
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An honest Christian would be unable to answer this as there is absolutely no way of knowing as it’s up to the individual person. It’s naive to think that a Jew can’t be saved.
I’ve been in Christian circles my entire life, I’m 37 years old. I have never heard, “Jews are the slaves of God.” You will have to explain this.
As a Jew, I can say that whatever the evangelicals think is utterly and completely irrelevant to me.
Their oddball views are their views alone. They can think what they want, wrong as it is.
Okay, I am not a Evangelical/fundamentalist, but from reading the Bible, I remember this (and I don’t recall where in the Bible it says this).
When Christians die, they go to be with God.
When Jews die, they are kind of in a non-existent state, until the return of Christ, at which time they will be risen, and go to be with God.
The Jews were the chosen people. If they are faithful to their faith, they will get their final reward.
I am being told repeated that the end times require that Israel is ruled by Jews but only those Jews who have converted to Christianity can be accepted to the kingdom of God. Those who remain adamantly loyal to “the covenant” will be treated the same as sinners.
What I believe Evangelical Fundamentalist Christians should do before they die is mind their own business.
@filmfann FYI
When Christians die, they go to be with God.
That would be:
2 Corinthians 5:8
we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.
When Jews die, they are kind of in a non-existent state, until the return of Christ, at which time they will be risen, and go to be with God.
To be honest I am not sure where Hades reside, it is a physical place, and there will be unbelievers there. It is not some netherworld, or place of non-existence. Any Jews there would be in no different state than any other non-believer who doesn’t believe in Christ.
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
And furthermore,
John 5
22 For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
If they honor Christ then they will be saved, they don’t, well…….
The Jews were the chosen people. If they are faithful to their faith, they will get their final reward.
If that involves seeing and believing Jesus Christ as the Messiah they will.
As for the question in general, though not being a fundamentalist or evangelical (can’t even fathom what they are), any Jewish person that denies Christ as the Son of God and the Messiah, is in the same boat as the Pharisees, and the Sadducees.
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My former church, an evangelical fundamentalist church, believed that Jews, as the chosen people, would go to heaven, as long as they kept the covenant. They are the chosen people, after all. The new testament was mainly for gentiles.
Many years ago, a born-again coworker of mine was telling me about someone she knew and how incredibly kind they were, but it made her sad since this person would not be going to heaven since they were Jewish and didn’t accept Jesus as the Messiah. I don’t recall which denomination she was, but wanted to explain that some apparently feel that the Jews’ denial of Jesus as the Messiah is enough to warrant eternal damnation.
@hearkat I’ve come across very similar responses from Catholics in Brooklyn in the 60’s.
I was shocked. I thought you get to heaven based on good deeds not what religion you were born to.
I would not be shocked today.
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@MadMadMax: I was raised Presbyterian, and we were taught that the only ticket to heaven was to have faith that Jesus was the Messiah sent by God to save our souls, that good deeds alone didn’t cut it. “For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. It is a gift from God, not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8–9) – they set bible verses to melodies so they’re stuck in my head 40 years later.
FWIW – I am a non-theistic agnostic these days.
@DWW25921 I never heard “Jews were the slaves of God before either.” I was hoping for an explanation. I can’t even find it using Google.
@hearkat :Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!”
@MadMadMax – It’s all in the interpretation, it seems; which is the problem – we are flawed humans trying to determine whether there is life beyond this existence, and if there is, how to get the best outcome. Flawed humans read the same text and interpret it differently. My favorite comment from this new pope is, “Who are we to judge?”
^^I admire what he says. “Who are we to judge.” I’m moved by his sincerity and his philosophy but then I look to see how he is affecting change in the Catholic Church and I see nothing.
Everyone loves him – even Bill Maher respects him. I wonder.
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Look up supersessionism, the Christian doctrine holding that—not surprisingly!—Jews (like me) get screwed in the end. Another in a long list of disgustingly antisocial, hostile, tribalistic, and xenophobic facets of Christianity.
@gasman I never heard of supersessionism until today.
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