@Paradox25 “Quantum mechanics is considered by the hypothesis I’m siding with here to be nothing more than an abstract construct, as would be at least three of the four forces of nature (gravity is still a mystery here)...”
I suppose this is what projects the hologram?
@Paradox25 ”...part of a program, one coming from a deeper level of reality.”
Does the program have an author? If not, then what wrote it?
Would you consider the terms “deeper level of reality” and “higher level of consciousness” to have any similar meanings shared between them?
@Paradox25 “This also means that quantum consciousness hypotheses need to be discarded too, because sentience would be creating and affecting the quantum mechanical program, not being a part of it.”
I want to understand you clearly. When you say, “mechanical program”… what do you mean by that? Did a machine author a program? Or is a machine running a program written by some other means? By what means was the programed authored? How do you define program? As far as I understand the word, a program requires a code to run the program upon. What or who wrote the code that made the program? Is the program observable? Is there a code we can translate? How do you know a program is running without having discovered a code which it runs upon? That’s how we discovered it in DNA. We discovered a molecule, then discovered that molecules was the medium used to transmit codified information. We’re even learning how to read that code and learn the program.
As to “quantum consciousness”, let’s cut to the chase. Do you believe there is any form of consciousness beyond what living humans understand? If so, what is the source of that consciousness? If not, then so be it. But I don’t know if I’d consider disbelief in a greater consciousness beyond humans as a reason to claim a theistic label.
@Paradox25 ”...according to this hypothesis, that we’re programmed to only experience one level of -reality at a time so the ‘creator’ could have a”
Who is the “creator”? Is it sentient, or a machine? Like V’Ger?
@Paradox25 ”...the ‘physical’ body would exist on its own software program to experience the semi-virtual reality it was specifically made for….”
Sure why not. Good design philosophy. Who or what designed it that way and did the designer have a purpose to the design. Was it an accident? Or was it intentional?
@Paradox25 “When this vehicle becomes too defective for mind to have a meaningful experience, the mind simply registers with another body or form, this mind will then experience another level of reality on a different software program.”
Let’s be clear. Are you talking about reincarnation?
@Paradox25 “It gets tricky here, because the Law of Attraction that Spiritualism is based off of (not to be confused with the new age concept of the ‘secret’) apparently dictates where our minds will experience reality at, so our actions here will determine not only the nature of our next physical body, but our physical environment and the types of minds we’ll share our existence with, at least until we evolve to increase our spiritual level, thus enhancing the quality of our existence in a better reality, or software program I should say.”
Well said.
I study Napolian Hill. I know the attraction. I experience the attraction.
No issues with countless programs running, and self authoring new realities. Believe it or not, and I know this sounds silly, but I believe there are clues to this in the Christian bible.
Genesis 1:27
So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
Like an autonomous computer disc image, imbibed with the capacity to author and create anew, just like the original programmer.
Another odd biblical verse discusses God taking Enoch up to heaven. All the new bibles use the phrase “taken up”. But the older King James uses the term “translated”.
Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
That’s exactly what codes do. They can be “translated” from one form to another and created upon infinite number of mediums. Translation is when The SAME Meaning is represented IDENTICALLY by another form. That’s how computers work man. That’s how our english language works. That’s how DNA works too.
So be it a hologram, another dimension, an underlying level of reality, heaven, the hidden mist… whatever… is it not all the same realm being suggested. A realm where all these potentials may occur?
Early I spoke of the Medium and Message dualities. That’s only for our earthly physical existence. But in The Nether Realm, the medium and message must be unified. For there is no physical agent available to act as medium. As beings of Pure Meaning, we won’t need a physical representation to be acknowledged. Pure meaning won’t need a code to be meaningful.
@Paradox25 “Spirit to me would be the astral or etheric copy of our physical body, smaller increments of a greater oversoul or higher-self. Our spirit only pertains to the individual fragments of a greater personality.”
That’s why earlier I said that many thought/spirits build a mind/soul just like many bricks build a building. And it’s all directed with intentionality. The “greater personality” is the mind/soul.
Now, I must ask, is the purpose of this greater personality mind/soul to achieve what Hindu’s call Krishna Conscioiusness? Is that the purpose, or just one of many options? Perhaps one would choose darkness over light?
@Paradox25 “There is rigid gender identity on lower levels of spirit, but as the spirit evolves its gender identity would be more balanced.”
Remember above, in God’s image, “male and female he created them”. If both male and female genders come from God’s Disc Image, then God himself itself must be genderless.
@Paradox25 “Tough to define this, but spirit would be a fragment ego of a greater self, known as the soul to me.”
Not tough to define at all. Many thought/spirits build a mind/soul.
@Paradox25 “My definition of holographic simply would mean a virtual reality created by a deeper one. You see a holographic image on a film or stage, but the reality is the equipment along with the mind responsible for creating the abstract image.”
The equipment, the mind, and the information which relates the thoughts of the mind to the receiving observer.
@Paradox25 “Unbelievable things occur to chaotic systems when they are fed with a consistent supply of energy, and given enough time to evolve and develop proper form.”
No doubt, really unbelievable things. But consider a completely different philosophy of why that may be so. Form is not function. Function requires purpose and intent. Function requires meaning. Energy and Matter have no function beyond what humans attribute to them. They don’t come out of the box with a specific function. Energy and Matter have no meaning beyond what humans attribute to them. Without human description, Energy and Matter are meaningless”, no matter what form they are in.
So we vibrate some milk bowl and observe a particular form arise. The same frequency is testable and repeatable. It is falsifiable by changing frequencies or liquid. We should always expect the same observation with identical conditions. We observe and identify the phenomenon… we call it form and label it as such. But it has no meaning beyond what humans call it and determine meaningful for it.
Observable patterns called fractals are resulting from chaos every second. But those fractal patterns are nothing more than observable phenomenon (that we called fractals), regardless of how much energy and matter they consist of. It has no function until humans author and apply in-form-ation to it… (run the blender). Information in its most fundamental definiton, The act of forming the formless... “ation denotes an act”. Humans in – form the observation.
“Information is information. Not energy and not matter. Any materialism that does not allow for this cannot survive in the present.”
Norbert Weiner the father of Cybernetics. Page 125.
There is a third devil at play beyond energy and matter… Information. The act of forming the formless. When my formless thoughts are encoded on this thread, by authoring information, they become receivable to you. This would not be possible otherwise.
My point, is that NO INFORMATION exists in the background noise of the cosmos, regardless of the fractal pattern being observed. A hologram cannot run a program without information to run it.
The only way to determine if information truly exists or not, is to first uncover a code which describes the phenomenon. No information can be communicated to humans unless there is a code to communicate it upon. I can explain this much further if requested to.
Code is a material lens created by the process of informing. It allows humans to view the immaterial realm of thought/spirit.
@Paradox25 “I don’t believe the entire universe is sentient, but it had the time, supply of energy (as I’d explained in my previous response) and size to produce a very complicated form, and evolve a gradual disembodied sentience in parts of it.”
That my friend requires and enormous conceptual leap. We have absolutely NO EVIDENCE for a mechanism that allows consciousness to arise from energy, matter, or form, regardless of the size. We do, on the other hand, have billions of examples confirming that consciousness is only beget by consciousness.
We should stick with what we know. Occam’s Razor demands it to be considered.
I don’t believe the entire universe is sentient either. But I do believe in a grand sentient agent beyond the physical realities. It would be considered outside the program… like every other programmer is outside their program.
@Paradox25 “This sentience only exists because of the universe expanding.”
I don’t know of any examples to demonstrates sentients arising from expansion. But the concept of expansion does arise from sentience.
@Paradox25 ”...unless there’s some mysterious anti-gravity force that our current knowledge of physics isn’t aware of yet.”
Good, you’re open to unknown forces being responsible for inexplicable phenomenon. Then you should have the mindset, and no problem with allowing other phenomenon like thought and information to share some of the responsibilities. They are after all, known phenomenon.
@Paradox25 “The energy for producing the quantum program comes simply from the mechanical energy vibrations from the so-called dark energy expanding. ”
Energy cannot author a program. I know of no instances where energy wrote a program. The cosmos cannot speak. It has no alphabet to speak with, and nothing to say if it did.
@Paradox25 “Information is neither energy nor matter, but it still needs a source of energy to produce it.”
Here you seem to agree with Norbert Weiner above. Information is not energy or matter.
And though you may be correct that Information requires energy and matter to be created in our physical realm, that does not follow, or mean that energy and matter can author information. Only sentience can author information, and create programs from it.
@Paradox25 “I’m open to there being different laws of physics in different dimensions of reality…”
Are you open to a new law, not of physics, but a Law of Information?
All codes are attributable to sentient authorship. No exceptions.
How’s that for a law? Are you open to it? Codes are, after all, the only way to determine if information really exists. We don’t receive information through feelings. But we do author information about our feelings. We do that with code.
@Paradox25 ”...people coming back from near-death and other out-of-body experiences report seeing colors, hearing sounds and experiencing things they never could here.”
Light and sound are commonly used mediums to represent, transmit, and receive codified information upon. But just because the medium exists, doesn’t necessarily mean there is a message being transmitted to anyone.
@Paradox25 “Yes, the cause pre-existing in the effect, so there would be no creator creating the creator loop.”
A state of IS-Ness, where all time IS, where all potentialities ARE. It is fairly agreed upon that space/time began at the big bang. People usually ask what happened before that, like asking what created the creator.
NO-THING happened before that. No THING… no PHYSICAL thing. It’s not a physical realm where physical things happen. The whole concept of happen doesn’t need to happen in a timeless state of eternal IS-Ness.
@Paradox25 “I get my ideas from not religion, but engineers, physicists, quantum physicists, astronomers, doctors and others within the science fields who research life after death, and are trying to tie this event in with the origins of the universe in a scientific way.”
So do I. But why count religion out?
Look, I hate organized religion. But religion is the twisted dogma to satisfy personal agenda. That doesn’t mean there isn’t great wisdom within the books OF religion, beyond how the religions have butchered the teachings.
Cheers!
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