Does anyone else believe that Gary Oldman's apologies conflict with his interview's message?

Can you post a llink?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/26/showbiz/celebrity-news-gossip/gary-oldman-rant-playboy-apology-kimmel/

Yeah, the apology does not sound sincere. Making a racist remark is not a mistake; it’s not “misspeaking”. He got caught saying what he really thought. Now he has to pretend he doesn’t think it, so that people won’t dislike him. It’s not going to work.

Looks like it doesn’t matter whether he’s sincere or not. The decision rests on what people choose to believe. I hope he doesn’t end up shunned by Hollywood like Gibson. Hope there will be forgiveness more than doubt.

This is the quote he’s apologizing for?

“Mel Gibson is in a town that’s run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because he’s actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him—and doesn’t need to feed him anymore because he’s got enough dough,” Oldman told the magazine. “But some Jewish guy in his office somewhere hasn’t turned and said, ‘That f**king kraut’ or ‘F**k those Germans,’ whatever it is? We all hide and try to be so politically correct. That’s what gets me. It’s just the sheer hypocrisy of everyone.”

What’s there to apologise for? He didn’t say anything against anyone.

…I don’t get it.

Gibson’s been in several films since his drunken, anti-Semitic rant. Not sure how he’s being shunned by Hollywood.

Not one major Hollywood studio getting Gibson in a project big enough befitting his former stature. He made movies but when was the last time he was seen in the big screen-?

He’s totally lost his likable Hollywood celebrity aura. Jewish religious leaders in LA didn’t buy his apology.

^^I don’t think it was just in LA; I think many in the country were pretty sickened by Gibson’s rant.

I think so too. Was referring specifically to Gibson’s meeting with Jewish religious leaders which happened in LA.

@mazingerz88 Ah gotcha!

@mazingerz88 “Not one major Hollywood studio getting Gibson in a project big enough befitting his former stature. He made movies but when was the last time he was seen in the big screen-?”

He’s an old man in a young man’s game. It was all but inevitable that he would lose his Hollywood celebrity aura at some point. His star had already begun to dim even before that.

No he would not have lost his “likable” celebrity aura if he did not do that anti-semitic rant and also made the movie Passion of the Christ @Darth_Algar. That movie really precipitated Gibson’s Hollywood issues.

And this is not just about Gibson acting or directing. There’s a feel involved.

Gary Oldman’s in the same age bracket as Gibson and not in a lot of movies but at least he’s getting a few. Wonder what’s gonna happen now.

Gary Oldman isn’t, and never really has been much of a Hollywood star however. Gibson was, but, as I said, that was waning even before his rant. Plenty of older actors find regular work just fine. But as far as big lead roles and all that Hollywood has always favored youth.

And what is it about exactly? Act like an asshole and people will regard you as an asshole?

Almost nothing to do with Gibson’s age @Darth_Algar, with regards to what happened to his Hollywood career. Like I said, this started way back when he made Passion of the Christ. A few years later, he ranted. Zero connection-? Doubt it.

No idea how many people in Hollywood knew about Gibson’s father who was a Holocaust denier before Passion of the Christ. Everything changed drastically for him after that controversy regardless of his age.

To quote Oldman himself in that interview, “He’s like an outcast, a leper, you know?” Oldman continued about Gibson. End of quote.

This is more than just acting like an asshole and being regarded as an asshole I think. Does making anti-semitic rant leads to being a pariah in Hollywood-?

Just like in Gibson’s day, this same statement was made recently about Oldman.

The Hollywood Reporter obtained a statement from ADL national director Abraham Foxman, who said, “We have just began a conversation with his managing producer. At this point, we are not satisfied with what we received. His apology is insufficient and not satisfactory.”

Lots of old actors who’s star power has waned like to say it’s because of their political or personal views (like, for example, James “I can’t get roles because I’m a Republican” Woods). That, however doesn’t make it so. Gibson and Oldman can play “blame the Jews” all they want, but the fact is they’re both old men in an industry that highly favors the young.

And yes, the batshit views of Gibson’s father have been well known for ages.

Gibson can also direct not just act. He was still in a good spot until Passion came along. Gibson was A-list like Willis, Schwarzenegger and Stallone. Their glitter might have waned but they still have projects, sometimes crappy ones but at least their fans know they’re still alive.

And in Hollywood, aging big actors have unfair advantage over females. They still get lead roles. They can get second-acts in their careers. Travolta, Neeson, Lee Jones, Ford, Costner etc.

And they have pull in the global market. These guys are known and no producer is stupid enough not to hire them unless there’s a good or bad reason for that matter. Going back, Gibson is one heck of an excellent director. He can switch between acting and directing easy and give Eastwood a run for his money.

So no @Darth_Algar, Gibson’s age was not pivotal during that time when his troubles began.

@mazingerz88 I don’t agree that Gibson was still “in a good spot” until Passion of the Christ. But in any case, Passion turned off a lot more people than just Jews. That whole project basically revealed that he’d gone batshit crazy. It was just a matter of time before he self-destructed.

@dappled_leaves Well, I think you just drove home the point that making a film that offends people, not just Jews, means you’ve gone batshit crazy in Hollywood.

By “in a good spot” I meant Gibson was still looked at as normal, non-controversial actor/director and certainly not batshit crazy…yet.

‘The Passion of the Christ’ wasn’t simply offensive, it was pretty much full-on torture porn.

@mazingerz88 It’s really not about offending people. It’s about the dialogue being in Aramaic, and that it wasn’t even going to have subtitles. It’s about it basically being a torture/snuff film. These are things that were known before the film was even released. It was “crazy Mel Gibson’s crazy project”.

@Darth_Algar @dappled_leaves Not sure how people would react if Gibson made a full-on torture porn starring….Lindsay Lohan. There was ruckus because there were Jews, Christians, Romans and Jesus in that movie.

I really have a strong feeling the issue was less than about some technical stuff like subtitling or language spoken nor even it being a snuff/torture film but more about who was snuffing out who.

No, it was a two hour orgiastic revelry in ultra-violence. Perhaps the only film made about Jesus Christ that had absolutely no redeeming quality whatsoever (actually, not quite true. The music score was pretty decent on its own). If anything it was treated more fairly than perhaps was warranted. Any other film that constantly violent and graphic that did not have the central figure of the Christian faith as it’s focus would not have received as much media coverage, nor as widespread a theatrical release, as “the Gospel according to Mel” did.

@Darth_Algar Good thing you liked the score. Gibson’s original plan was to have no music at all, only dialogue in Aramaic and Latin, without subtitles. Crazy.

“Passion” was part of Gibson’s Macho King of Pain Trilogy, the Catholic Guilt chapter. My fundie family ate this garbage up.

The other two films in the suite were Apocalypto and Braveheart.

Oldman mentions Gibson in the interview but I believe the commentary of the two is apples and oranges.

@SecondHandStoke

Don’t forget The Patriot.

(Then again I wouldn’t blame you if you do. Hell, I wish I could.)

The Patriot:

“It’s a free country.”

“Not yet.”

(Groans)

God, WHY did you remind me?