Will you help me find an article I read that said conservatives were thwarting efforts to help the refugee children coming in from South America?

Maybe this from The Hill?

That’s not it but it may work. Thanks.

Why are the conservatives so against immigration, anyway?

I once heard Bill O’Reilly says he wants us to be a “humane nation, but not a soft nation”. If you can make sense out of that, perhaps it’ll answer this question, too.

Human but not compassionate? Must be a Christian thing. And it’s so odd…it’s the fundamental Christians who are screeching the loudest.

I’m somewhat conservative and I don’t see it with my other more conservative peers. This country was born out of immigration. The free for all we have of people here illegally is mostly our own doing. The Christian Fundamentalists that so many associate with “conservatives” are on the loony fringe.

But there are SO MANY of them.

They are a stain on the entire conservative and even moderate base. The politicians cater to them because of their size. So do the talking heads (Insert talk radio:Limbaugh,Beck…) who don’t speak for us and are out of touch with the average person. Most true conservative folks who are not part of that group dislike them also.

Glad to hear that. But they just feed off of each other. It’s rather disgusting.

@ARE_you_kidding_me How can you justify conservatism without Christianity? (social aspects, at least)

Easy, I’m moderately conservative & not christian. There are many people like this. Also, I know plenty of liberals who are Christian. The percentages are shifted greatly though for obvious reasons. In my circles of friends the percentages that are Christian are spread almost evenly between liberal and conservative. In the end it’s not mutually exclusive. I’ll self identify as conservative for just a handful of issues but I’m pretty scattered between liberal and conservative issues. Most people do this and in reality your average person is a lot closer to the center than you would think. It’s the fringes that screw things up, they take such extreme view points on things that it is very hard to assign them any level of credibility. There seem to be more on the far right side of the spectrum right now but both have their embarrassing hard liners.

What is an embarrassing hard line that liberals have @ARE_you_kidding_me?

The pricks who do this for one.

There are not very many liberals who take it as crazy as the crazy right does though. I’ll give the left that. The far left folks tend to be more annoying, self righteous and smug than crazy. I don’t know which is worse. At least if you are batshit crazy you have an excuse.

That’s horrible! Well, at least they aren’t in Congress (I hope.)

@Dutchess_III I don’t know about congress but some are teaching our kids.

That’s pretty despicable behavior, WTH are they doing outside a jail cell. Extreme views and in this case actions regardless of political ideology are usually quite a bit off. This world would be so much better if everyone played around the center and acted reasonably. The left is not innocent and full of unicorns and rainbows either. I don’t really want to associate with either side of the aisle.

@ARE_you_kidding_me I try not to put labels on people, but it gets to a point where the ideas become a system. Sure there are Christians in both sides of the “spectrum”, but the values associated with conservatism are religious values. I’m not saying that all religious people are conservative, I’m saying it seems like the ideals of “conservatism” are branched from religion.

I don’t see it, what parts of Christianity are pillars of conservatism except for possibly abortion? I think pundits and politicians pander to Christians to get their votes but I don’t think the two systems are really related or branched out from each other.

Gay rights, @ARE_you_kidding_me, is another one. Creation/evolution is another.

But those are strictly religious. I believe in gay rights & evolution. I think that people associate those things with conservativism because again the religious right is so large.

And so embarrassing at times (I’m from Kansas….:( )

Historically I would have identified more with the conservatives, and actually I was carried as an Independent on my voting card. But since Obama, since they started going insane, I’ve distanced my self as far away as possible from them.

And I don’t know that they’re so large as much as so noisy and loud and screaming and rude.

Rude for sure.

@Dutchess_III ...But since Obama, since they started going insane,…

The insanity is not new. The “conservative” movement has been swinging more and more to the right since Reagan. There used to be such things as “liberal Republicans” and “conservative Democrats” before the idea of center moved so far to the right.