Are the anti-vaccine believers likely to be pro doctor-assisted suicide?

I don’t think the two have anything to do with each other. The question doesn’t need to be asked.

It seems that you are trying to pigeon hole the two groups as superstitious ignorant red necks. Just saying it might be true but adults have the right to make personal decisions. That’s why it’s called a personal choice. You aren’t required to have a pH. D. Grade 12 should be enough to make decisions. That’s 12 to 15 years old school if you want to include vaccine education and end of life decisions, you can add it to a life skills class.

Just for the record.. the group of antivaxxers I have met were extremely religious homeschoolers who would most likely be against assisted suicide for religious reasons.

But I’ve also known a few hardcore libertarians that would probably be against mandatory vaccines (not vaccines in general) and pro assisted suicide.

There are many different reasons why people choose to believe what they believe and depending on where they are coming from, they could have opinions that are all over the map. Despite what you see on the news, it’s not a black or white thing where all people of one party believe one thing and all people in the other party believe the opposite.

It’s good to have different people for natural selection to work.

But both positions say :I care about me/my child, and now, not about long term effect, and not about the whole population.
Added: I didn’t mean are they might be from the same political party @keobooks.

I think that’s a heavily biased opinion.

Some antivaxxers believe the entire population is being duped into paying big money to big drug corporations for something that not only doesn’t work, but actually spreads the diseases. (Yes, I read an antivax board where they claimed the Disney measles were started by a kid who got sick from the vaccine.) They have incorrect information, but they ARE caring about the community.

I think most pro-assisted suicide people believe the population would be better off if terminally ill people could get help dying. I don’t believe that’s true myself, but I wouldn’t say the people who don’t think like I do are only thinking of themselves.

What a strange question, and as @keobooks I too don’t think the two go together, I still like the idea of Doctor assisted suicide, as I said before if I caught a debilitating disease, I would rather go with assisted suicide ,then lay in a bed shitting and drooling on myself in constant pain, I would rather leave before that thank you, for those that want to go through all that again that is their choice, but don’t take the choice of leaving early away from those that want it.

For the record, there are people who want to be assisted to die but they find it unthinkable to look to the doctor for it.

If those people don’t have a horrible terminal illness disease, I can see why they would think that.
Assisted suicide isn’t for the poor, or the depressed,it’s for the terminally ill that would rather not go through the last months or year suffering.
Geeze it sounds like you think there is going to be death squads running around offing anyone who is having a bad day.
Why would you deny someone who doesn’t want to be laying in a bed shitting and drooling on themselves a way out if it is their wish?
You say they have to lie there and be in that kind of agony, for what? to add money to the health system? to appease the religious right? why if it is their choice can they not bow out with dignity? with their loved ones by their side.
Tell me why is it so bad someone doesn’t want to endure the peak of their disease, that is going to kill them in the end?

Unlike others on this site that call for links on anything said, I do draw the line when one says for the record ,that my friend I will not believe unless you do provide a link or 2 ,and blogs do not count.

@SQUEEKY2 ”... I would rather leave .before that happens’” that is differrent, if it means without involving the doctor? No problem.

Alll those posts,, in 2 threads in Fluther, allll those links have demonstrated it. The no side,, is saying kill the pain, the depression, not the person, as it corresponds (it is supposed to anyway) with a developed country.

Why is it such a problem if I want the Doctors help??
Lot cleaner and probably less traumatic than a 357magnum.
and something like ALS I wouldn’t be able to do anything than just lie there in my shit and drool praying for death.
Again why is it such an issue if a Doctor helps if it is the persons choice????????
I JUST DON’T GET IT!

Look as I said before there must be safe guards so this isn’t abused, it has to be legislated properly,but with that I think it would be a God send for those that want it.
I am going to leave it at that.
You must truly love to see terminally ill people in total pain and suffering, if you deny those that want it, this right.

@SQUEEKY2 Just quote something from some of those articles, blog or not, and/or posts and argue the points one by one.

I haven’t given you any links ,I have just told you my feelings in this subject, I would want it, there are those that would not(and I am totally fine with that as well).

But for those that are suffering ,and would want this Death with dignity, do not deny them that because you don’t like it or it goes against your religious up bringing..
And please stop the fright wing approach that the poor and depressed have access to this as well, because that I DO NOT BELIEVE!!

@SQUEEKY2 So, now I’m religious? Provide the proof, please.

The question does not need to be asked.

Just so you know, I’m extremely socially liberal and agnostic to boot. I consider my reasonings for being against assisted suicide to come from my very liberal beliefs. You can’t assume someone’s political leanings based on one issue.

Also, this thread is going to crazy town even faster than the other one, so I may now follow it for much longer.

@keobooks and @ibstubro I agree and I am out of here, it’s just a thread I am done with.
@keobooks I am sad you are against it, but you have your reasons, would you tell the people that would totally want this and are suffering why?
I can see your fears of this right being abused, and that concerns me as well, but in the same I wouldn’t want to deny it to someone who truly wants it on that fear alone.
But again YOUR right this has turned into a yelling match and no one is listening so have a great night.

But there is no need to bring up religious label, anyway since the reasoning privided in the posts are completely secular.

@SQUEEKY2 using the all caps (above) is called screaming, and only one party using it is not a screaming match

These two things have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

No way to know.

But let’s assume that the anti vaccine crowd has no confidence what so ever in human technical achievement.

That means they would have no confidence in anything that might be gained by human technical achievement, including merciful end of life procedures.

So I figure they would be in opposition to both.

@josie And anti-vaxers are prone to distrust of the medical community as well as susceptible to conspiracy theories.

Not if it requires a shot.

I don’t know how the two positions would be inconsistent; there doesn’t seem to be any reason person couldn’t think both things. It might make sense for someone to hold both positions, hypotheticallyy: believing that a person or a parent has the right to make his or her own decisions about their own health and their own life, or their child’s and neither the government nor the medical establishment has the right to make those decisions for them.

Just as an aside people who believe in “personal décisions” don’t have it right.
They are not allowed to deprive their child of education, for example. and plenty of other things. There is no such thing, as “personal decision” (just because so much of what each person does affects other people). It is a hard one for them though when it comes to the vaccine if they believe it causes autism.

@flo I personally think you have asked a GREAT question, but then I have been considered a nuisance on this board for some time. I am going to answer first in terms of my personal calculations and then try to generalize my answer.

I am in favor of vaccination and doctor-assisted suicide. Neither decision is based on religious considerations. I was an engineer in my working career (I retired about six years ago), and I became a full-blown atheist about 20 years ago. before that, I would be considered an agnostic. I get extremely impatient with people who base their decisions on any ancient, not necessarily logical thinking.

Now back to your question. Since I support both, I guess you would not consider me inconsistent? If a person opposes vaccination on religious grounds and supports doctor-assisted suicide, I certainly see an inconsistency. However, if a person opposes vaccination on a personal evaluation of the risks as they apply to him/her, then there is no inconsistency.