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What are your thoughts on the Missouri bill some Republicans are trying to push through that would prohibit people with EBT cards (food stamps) from buying steak and seafood?

Asked by Dutchess_III (47069points) April 3rd, 2015

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Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

How dare those lowly peasants! How outrageous that they should eat like the rest of us! They need to be put in their place—and their place, of course, is behind the grocery stores rummaging through the garbage bins. What impudence!

At a time when there is a big push by lobbyists in Washington sponsored by the fast-food industry to allow trading with EBT cards in their establishments—which will line the pockets of many of those same Republican stockholding elitists—this is absolutely… I’m at a loss for words.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Same old crap. Probably illegal, too.

chyna's avatar

Where would it stop? They can only buy off brand can goods, week old bread and meat that is almost out of date?

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Is this coming from the same Republicans that if they lowered minimum wage it would put more people to work??
It really boosts your economy when more people are working for a wage that they couldn’t possibly live from.

Berserker's avatar

Fuck republicans.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Glad to know you guys feel that way! And besides, it’s not the recipient’s fault if they get 3 times more in food stamps than they need, like I did. The government decides how much to send. If they could afford crab legs (which I could, but I don’t ever remember getting any) then let them eat crab legs.

I ate better on food stamps than I can now. It was the only relief I got in that morass of poverty.

It’s a disgusting message, really.

hominid's avatar

Take a guess. Republicans are really good at making themselves immune to parody.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

LOL. ^^ … let them eat crab legs. Even Marie Antoinette appears to have had more heart than these mutherfuckers. If only they would come to the same end.

ragingloli's avatar

Well it is clear from this, that republicans think of poor people as Untermenschen.
Nazis, the whole lot.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

That’s a great idea @Symbeline because they fuck anything that isn’t.

rojo's avatar

Ah thank that theyall shuld jes be abul tu bah beens and cornbread. Ifn theys want moren thayut they kin git a frikkin jahb!

Lazee bastids!

jca's avatar

I found this article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/03/missouri-republicans-are-trying-to-ban-food-stamp-recipients-from-buying-steak-and-seafood/

This idiot was bragging about it being free food and that seems to be what started the whole mess. Honestly, if he didn’t brag like that it probably would not have pulled the tail of the politicians who drew up this bill. The article is interesting in that it outlines their original intentions and then how it evolved into crossing the fine line of controlling what EBT recipients eat. Seafood is a healthy staple to many diets and they say the definition of “steak” is so broad it would ban any flat cut of beef. Totally ridiculous, for sure.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

These assholes have nothing to complain about. They have to be out of their minds to whine about a few untermenchen eating steak when they enjoy an utterly unfettered economic environment which enables them to turn profits they will find no where else in the world. What a bunch of sickos.

Mitt Romney, former Republican candidate for President—who has a floor of tax lawyers available to him—keeps a race horse stabled abroad for which he is somehow legally able to divert almost a half-million dollars of his annual income taxes for its care and feeding. Legal tax diversions like this are quite common among America’s wealthiest and the corporations from which they earn their incomes—and they are tolerated nowhere else in the developed world. That’s what makes America so great for them. And now they complain about some poor schmuck or schmuckette eating filet mignon—“on their dime.”

Well, it’s not their dime. Not by a longshot.

Profitable corporations are supposed to pay a 35 percent federal income tax rate on their U.S. profits. But many corporations pay far less, or nothing at all, because of the many tax loopholes and special breaks they enjoy. The following report documents just how successful many Fortune 500 corporations have been at using these loopholes and special breaks over the past five years.

The report looks at the profits and U.S. federal income taxes of the 288 Fortune 500 companies that have been consistently profitable in each of the five years between 2008 and 2012, excluding companies that experienced even one unprofitable year during this period. Most of these companies were included in a November 2011 report, Corporate Taxpayers and Corporate Tax Dodgers, which looked at the years 2008 through 2010. A new report is broader, in that it includes companies, such as Facebook, that have entered the Fortune 500 since 2011, and narrower, in that it excludes some companies that were profitable during 2008 to 2010 but lost money in 2011 or 2012.

Some Key Findings:
• As a group, the 288 corporations examined paid an effective federal income tax rate of just 19.4 percent over the five-year period — far less than the statutory 35 percent tax rate.

Twenty-six of the corporations, including Boeing, General Electric, Priceline and Verizon, paid no federal income tax at all over the five-year period. A third of the corporations (93) paid an effective tax rate of less than ten percent over that period.

• Of those corporations in the sample with significant offshore profits, two-thirds paid higher corporate tax rates to foreign governments where they operate than they paid in the U.S. on their U.S.profits.

These findings refute the prevailing view inside the Washington, D.C. Beltway that America’s corporate income tax is more burdensome than the corporate income taxes levied by other countries, and that this purported (but false) excess burden somehow makes the U.S. “uncompetitive.”

• The sectors with the lowest effective corporate tax rates over the five-year period were utilities (2.9 percent), industrial machinery (4.3 percent), telecommunications (9.8 percent), oil, gas and pipelines (14.4 percent), transportation (16.4 percent), aerospace and defense (16.7 percent) and financial (18.8 percent).

The tax breaks claimed by these companies are highly concentrated in the hands of a few very large corporations. Just 25 companies claimed $174 billion in tax breaks over the five years between 2008 and 2012. That’s almost half the $364 billion in tax subsidies claimed by all of the 288 companies in the sample.

Five companies — Wells Fargo, AT&T, IBM, General Electric, and Verizon — enjoyed over $77 billion in tax breaks during this five-year period.

Source: Citizens for Tax Justice and the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy

Darth_Algar's avatar

I love that this is coming from the same state who’s Republican lieutenant governor whines that he should be given an additional allowance on the taxpayer’s dime because his measly $86,000 salary isn’t enough for him to live in Cape Girardeau (not sure why anyone would want to live in Cape in the first place honestly) and work in Jefferson City.

sahID's avatar

@Espiritus_Corvus Thank you for an eye opening response, and you are right: they are out of their minds. One news report on the proposed bill pointed out that the seafood ban would extend beyond fresh seafood to include canned tuna fish, because tuna is an ocean going fish. Hence canned oysters, clams, mackerel, salmon and shrimp likely would also be banned.

The ban on steak raises two questions in my mind that need to be answered:
1) because “steak” is a term for any flat piece of any meat, does the ban extend to lamb, beef, or pork chops?
2) because the same meat that is used for steak also is ground into hamburger & sausage, are these meat products allowed or excluded?

In short, once this kettle of gefeltefish is opened, where does it stop?

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

^^ Precisely. Look, people of a certain income in the US get about $195 per month for food through the program. In most of the places I’ve lived, this is quite adequate and appropriate for a good nutritional diet. If the recipient doesn’t use it for that, then there isn’t a helluva lot I can do about it and neither can the Republicans. Restricting further the types of foods will more than likely impact the nutrition content, so they should just give it up, already. People are going to do whatever they will do no matter what the intention of the common weal and that means everything from making unwise purchases, converting their cards into cash at 50% on the dollar, to trading them for drugs and alcohol and denying their own children the food allotment. It’s going to happen. Making draconian laws such as this won’t stop any of it. But, rest assured, most of the recipients use this allotment for what it is supposed to be used for and it is helping a lot of people, including many, many children.

Dutchess_III's avatar

The vast majority of recipients have children. If they don’t have children you’re looking at about $35 a month.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Doesn’t things like this show everyone just how out of touch with the real world Republicans really are??????

Dutchess_III's avatar

It highlights how mean spirited, judgmental, spiteful and hateful they are. Just like Jesus was.

Blackberry's avatar

I’m sure they’ll still let them buy junk food and sodium laden microwave food.

Yea steak and seafood is more expensive but at least it’s actually real food.

rojo's avatar

What about coupons that are only good at McDonalds or some other free market fast food establishment?

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

^^ The fastfood industry is lobbying for just that at this very moment: Allowing EBTs to be used at Taco Bell, Mickey D’s, Burger King and the rest. Less nutrition at much higher prices, but at least the money will go into the pockets of the people who really count.

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