Darwinism at work? Nine bikers killed at sports bar in Waco Texas?

The 18 in the hospital with severe injuries don’t think the death toll was too small. And I heard reports at bikers were gathering in other locations to end the dispute.

Why do you call it a sports argument? It was probably one biker wanting the last piece of pie, and another who wanted it too said to the first one, “hey, with that figure you don’t need more pie.”

Yes, Darwinism at it’s finest,A bunch of old biker dudes with the IQ’s of a can of Budweiser duking it out over whatever their combined 17 brain cells take offense at. Just gas ‘em all. lol

Only if the dead ones had no children.

Of course nobody in Texas, least of all Ted Cruz, is going to suggest that there be any restrictions on gun carrying. Guns don’t kill people. They just make it really easy for a sudden impulse to turn into a dead body.

They started using knives, chains and clubs before resorting to guns @LostInParadise. The guns were just taking the discussion to the next level.

@zenvelo our newspaper is reporting that the argument started in the bathroom and continued in the bar. Someone probably wouldn’t pass the paper or was peeking over the urinal screen.

A sports argument? Peeking over the urinal? Seriously people?

The article also said there were over a dozen police officers, including SWAT members in the vicinity before the fight started. It does not say and is not clear on whether they were just hanging around or whether they were anticipating trouble.

I wondered just how the officers would break up a major gun battle like this? Personally, I would try to keep it contained and just sit back and wait for them to run out of ammo then walk in and arrest the survivors. I don’t think this is what the police are trained to do however. I may be wrong.

Anytime you’ve got a gathering of rival gangs (and these two gangs do have a history of hostility with each other) in one location it’s probably a safe bet to assume trouble.

Yes, this is about motorcycle gangs. It would not matter if it carrying weapons was legal or not. These types have their own “code”, or legal system. I don’t know if there is something to be said about places that are inherently “bad”. This is the place where Jesse Washington was lynched, the body burned alive. The area was home to David Koresh” as well asTed Nugent.

Only applicable if they hadn’t bred or handed down their genes.

The Banditos Motorcycle Club is an international organized crime syndicate, not a bunch of ‘good ole boys’ riding bikes on the weekend. The Cossacks are a rival crime syndicate.

Although it was a “Hooters” type sports bar and restaurant, there’s no indication that sports were actually a factor in the argument.

“In a 2014 gang threat assessment, the Texas Department of Public Safety classified the Bandidos as a “Tier 2” threat, the second highest. Other groups in that tier included the Bloods, Crips and Aryan Brotherhood of Texas.”

192 charged:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/us/waco-texas-biker-gang-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Only 9 dead? I think they should hand in their Texas citizenship if they can’t hit where they aim.

I don’t think that the open-carry law made a bit of difference in this case. The Texas open carry law does not allow for open carry of handguns, only long rifles and shotguns. These bikers were going to be armed, one way or another. The real problem is that guns are too easily available.

“The article said that it started with fists, moved to chains, then knives, then guns. Didn’t anyone see that this was not going to end well?”

Unfortunately this assumes that the people involved were rational. If they were, it would not have passed the insults and profanity stage. I am also prone to mistake that most people are rational.

Let’s see if we can glean any answers from the article cited:

”- Nine? Why not more? I assume that there were more than nine guys in the bar – why was the death toll only nine? Five biker gangs were involved. Were the deaths all from the same gang, or were they distributed?”
“192 people were arrested and will be charged with engaging in organized crime”
“officers returned fire, taking several of them down” conceivably the 9 dead
“all nine who were killed were members of the Bandidos or Cossacks gangs”

”- What sports argument could have gotten so heated that it was worth killing each other?”
“Sports Bar began at midday Sunday. Fighting spilled from the restaurant” does not imply a sport related theme.

”- To what degree did Texas’ Open Carry law play a role?”
“Texas Department of Public Safety classified the Bandidos as a “Tier 2” threat, the second highest. Other groups in that tier included the Bloods, Crips and Aryan Brotherhood of Texas.” Safe to say, none.

”- Were these all Harley riders?”
Huh?

”- The article said that it started with fists, moved to chains, then knives, then guns. Didn’t anyone see that this was not going to end well?”
“Police — who had been expecting trouble from the gathering — were on the scene when fighting broke out, and they quickly called in reinforcements.”
“There’s at least one documented instance of violence between the two groups.”
“The Bandidos, formed in the 1960s, are involved in trafficking cocaine, marijuana and methamphetamines, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.”

Hmmm. What was the question?

Bad publicity for that Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco.

1% clubs are kind of a mixed bag. Many are outlaw. Some are just the typical loud, hard-drinking, hard-partying, etc type, but more or less stay within the bounds of the law. Even among the outlaw MCs there can be some variance. The different charters of a club may work with other charters in their schemes, or some may run their own schemes. Some members (or perhaps even whole charters) may be more or less law-abiding. Maybe that’s why it’s so hard for authorities to prosecute entire clubs rather than just individual members or charters.

Some of these clubs even incorporate as legal entities. (God help you if you violate Hells Angel’s trademarks. No, they won’t send two guys named Jimbo and Billy Bob to beat you up, they’ll unleash their high-priced team of lawyers on you.)

@jca

You’re absolutely spot on about that. And Nightline tonight reported that the corporate office of Twin Peaks announced that they will shut down this location permanently.